David Wilkerson vs Joel Osteen - Page 6

It is possible for people to be presented with the truth and claim to believe, but not be regenerated. That is why a lifestyle must follow a profession. However, that does not mean that if we sin we lose our salvation.You are taking liberties that scripture does not teach.There is no way to come to the knowlegde of truth through regeneration and not be changed. 

What do you mean by "and not be regenerated" And could you state why you say that? And do you not believe baptism is necessary?   Also I never stated if one commits a sin that they lose their Salvation.....Not a sin...The fact of continually and willfully living in sin, yes....But all will sin, all have sinned.  I'll ask you a few questions though.  How is it that five of the Churches in Asia, mentioned in Revelation.....could be punished (these would have been brethren who were Christians) if they did not repent?  Remember Ephesus "left their first love". And what if one becomes a Christian, and eventually falls back and continues to live in such a way condemned by 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; By continuing to live in some of those ways, but yet never repenting and changing? Would they still be saved?  What about the discipline of the Church in 1 Corinthians 5, why were they to not even associate with the brethren who did so many of those things that were condemned? Why were they to be removed from the Church?  Why was sin so constantly mentioned by the Apostles in their writings to the brethren? Why did both Paul and Peter in their writings warn brethren of false teachings? 

Hi Deanna

MATT.25:1-13.

Virgins  followers of Jesus {:BRIDEGROOM}  Matt.9:15.
End of story verse 12  But He answered and said,Assuredly,I say to you,I do not know you.

Deana remember what the 1 verse said,all ten went out to meat the  Bridegroom.

  gouda

 

Rugar, also what about Simon in Acts 8? Simon who believed and was baptized, and continued on with Philip.  Simon who saw later on the Spirit being beswtoed through the laying on of the Apostles hands; And how he offered money.  The Apostle Peter rebuked Simon in Acts 8:20-24 "But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have no part or portion in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity." But Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."

GSDguy,,Merely professing with your mouth that you accept the truth does not necessarily mean that there has been a regeneration of ones heart. 

I believe that baptism is a outward sign and symbol and can be done by parents with infants/children based on God's covenant with His people or as an adult. As long as one is baptized at some point that is what is important..

You apparently misunderstood me, I did mean to suggest that you meant a single sin, I would guess you believe that habitual sin is grounds for the loss of salvation. Nonetheless, I do not believe that there is anything that can separate believer from God. Are there consequences, yes, is there loss, yes,,,

You are asking me a lot of question and I am happy to answer them with my opinion. but please ask me one at a time. Which would you like to discuss now?,,,


Gouda, I am familiar with that parable..I do not see what part of it you are using to support the losing of ones salvation.

 

Deana

The 5 foolish virgins also went to meet the Bridegroom,but Jesus said I knew you not.
 Deana if you really are a Christian,you must surely understand what Christ is talking about here.
These foolish virgin had  empty lanterns[SPIRITUALLY EMTY} .

   gouda

Gouda, and whomever else it may concern..

I do not need to prove to you what I know. I know a lot more then I have time to discuss here on the database. I have participated in these threads here and there for about a year now and have listened to you and Shtal preach. Now we have Redsable supporting you two and GSDguy08 chiming in and I feel I should speak up more boldly. I disagree with much of what you post here on the forum and it frustrates me a little to see you and others pawning it off as biblical truth..

You all like to use parables and books of prophesy yet you do not even understand the base and elementary teachings of scripture about God, man, and sin..

You post your miserable videos that distort sound doctrine because you love to elevate yourself and tear down others. After you get a few to accept your "scare tactic" doctrine, you tell them they lost their salvation!!...How ripe!! This is a joke!//and I am holding my tongue ...

You error by not rightly judging yourselves , not understanding the Holiness and Sovereignty of God...or the depth of your own depravity..

I am working this evening and won't be back until tomorrow,,goodnight,,

Deanna..




 

Good evening Deana.

Lets have a little look at Heb.6:4-8.

Those who were once enlightened
Have tasted the heavenly gift.
Become partakers of the Holy Spirit.
Have tasted the good word of God. 
Put it all together you cannot be enlightened,be a partaker of the Holy Spirit
unless you are born again.
These words being used are showing that this scripture is specially talking about Christians.
Now look what it says next.
For its impossible if they fall away to renew them again to repentance.
Deana,your right about  no one being able to snatch us out of the hand of God,
but God gave us a free will.
We can on our own walk away from God.

Have nice night
your friend in Christ
   gouda.
 

Ruger,  you talk as if you are the only one here who knows how to interpret scripture correctly, yet you believe in predestination, child baptism and now that now you are saying that once saved always saved, even if one falls away and totally turns from God.   You won't site scripture to defend your position, but only say the scripture everyone else posts is not interpreted correctly.

All I can say is WOW.
 I think we must have different Bibles, tis all.

 There is no point in discussing any other point of view with you, as you apparently know it all. 

Okidoki, nothing more to say. :)
 

Ruger you speak of sound doctrine, yet you have some Calvanistic ideas.  Feel free to address any of the questions I asked though; Maybe Simon for starters?  And also maybe why did the Apostles speak so much to the brethren of the congregations condemning sin? If after all, we can't lose our Salvation as you've said.