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by Carlin on 18 February 2012 - 22:02
As I have said, WH, is WH; she'll garner no more or less "respect" in her death from me than any other joe. My whole point was (and it had so much less to do with her) exactly that. With genocide running rampant in Africa, governments killing their own citizens in the middle east, children dying of malnutrition daily, or Mr. Ahmadinejad's apparent quest to start WWIII, I found the "breaking news" in primetime on American television a sobering reminder of the complete debacle that we, as a nation, have become.

by Red Sable on 18 February 2012 - 23:02
As I have said, WH, is WH; she'll garner no more or less "respect" in her death from me than any other joe. My whole point was (and it had so much less to do with her) exactly that. With genocide running rampant in Africa, governments killing their own citizens in the middle east, children dying of malnutrition daily, or Mr. Amahdinejad's apparent quest to start WWIII, I found the "breaking news" in primetime on American television a sobering reminder of the complete debacle that we, as a nation, have become.
Well said.
Any death is sad, but Simon Cowel saying, "we will all remember where we were when we heard the news"
Seriously? Speak for yourself Simon.
That is what they said about 911, and to compare her self inflicted death to all of those that lost their lives that day? No way.
Well said.

Any death is sad, but Simon Cowel saying, "we will all remember where we were when we heard the news"
Seriously? Speak for yourself Simon.
That is what they said about 911, and to compare her self inflicted death to all of those that lost their lives that day? No way.

by Ninja181 on 19 February 2012 - 16:02
It seems to me that the super rich never find true happyness.
It also seems that most people that aren't super rich always dream of being rich. As they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. LOL
Well I'm off to buy a lottery ticket. HaHaHa just kidding.
Actually I already have a few, LOL
It also seems that most people that aren't super rich always dream of being rich. As they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. LOL
Well I'm off to buy a lottery ticket. HaHaHa just kidding.
Actually I already have a few, LOL

by Red Sable on 19 February 2012 - 16:02
They say money can't buy happiness, but I'd sure like to see for myself!

by Shtal on 19 February 2012 - 16:02
You can be happy physically but your heart could still be empty.
Shtal.
Shtal.

by Ninja181 on 19 February 2012 - 17:02
I think a person with a lot of self-control could handle being super rich.
Those with little or no self-control can easily fall victim to their vices.
But that's just my $.02, what the hell do I know?
Those with little or no self-control can easily fall victim to their vices.
But that's just my $.02, what the hell do I know?

by Shtal on 19 February 2012 - 17:02
And one came to Jesus and said, Master, what good thing have I to do, so that I may have eternal life?
Jesus said if you have a desire to go into life, keep the rules of the law. He says to him, Which? And Jesus said, Do not put anyone to death, Do not be untrue in married life, Do not take what is not yours, Do not give false witness, Give honour to your father and your mother: and, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. The young man says to him, All these things have I done: what more is there? Jesus said to him, If you have a desire to be complete, go, get money for your property, and give it to the poor, and you will have wealth in heaven: and come after me. But hearing these words the young man went away sorrowing: for he had much property. And Jesus said to his disciples, Truly I say to you, It is hard for a man with much money to go into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, It is simpler for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a man with much money to go into the kingdom of God. And the disciples, hearing this, were greatly surprised, saying, Who then may have salvation? And Jesus, looking at them, said, With men this is not possible; but with God all things are possible. Then Peter said to him, See, we have given up everything and have come after you; what then will we have? And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that in the time when all things are made new, and the Son of man is seated in his glory, you who have come after me will be seated on twelve seats, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has given up houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or child, or land, for my name, will be given a hundred times as much, and have eternal life. But a great number who are first will be last, and some who are last will be first.
Jesus said if you have a desire to go into life, keep the rules of the law. He says to him, Which? And Jesus said, Do not put anyone to death, Do not be untrue in married life, Do not take what is not yours, Do not give false witness, Give honour to your father and your mother: and, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. The young man says to him, All these things have I done: what more is there? Jesus said to him, If you have a desire to be complete, go, get money for your property, and give it to the poor, and you will have wealth in heaven: and come after me. But hearing these words the young man went away sorrowing: for he had much property. And Jesus said to his disciples, Truly I say to you, It is hard for a man with much money to go into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, It is simpler for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a man with much money to go into the kingdom of God. And the disciples, hearing this, were greatly surprised, saying, Who then may have salvation? And Jesus, looking at them, said, With men this is not possible; but with God all things are possible. Then Peter said to him, See, we have given up everything and have come after you; what then will we have? And Jesus said to them, Truly I say to you that in the time when all things are made new, and the Son of man is seated in his glory, you who have come after me will be seated on twelve seats, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has given up houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or child, or land, for my name, will be given a hundred times as much, and have eternal life. But a great number who are first will be last, and some who are last will be first.

by Carlin on 19 February 2012 - 18:02
Shtal - if "christians" truly grasped the meaning of that teaching, I believe there would be far fewer "christians". This rich young man in the story is the picture a huge majority of "christians" in America today. The mindset is "what's the least I need to do" for my "sacrifice" to be considered acceptable. Churchy people validate themselves (which Paul warns against in Cor.) By thinking/saying: I give, I attend, I don't cheat on my spouse, I'm not a drunk, etc, etc, etc. The man in Jesus' story was probably a great citizen, upstanding, moral, etc., and he thought he had "met the requirements". Jesus looked into his heart, and saw the thing(s) in the man's heart the extent to which only the love of God should occupy. News flash: it's not just about the money. The greatest enemy of the presence of God in a "christians" life isn't glaring iniquity, it is all the good things we place before God. It is no coincidence that the first commandments of both the new and the old covenant are essentially identical and deal with idolatry. Jesus told another parable, one of a banquet, to which the people invited said they could could not attend. There were three reasons given; they were all "good things" .

by Carlin on 19 February 2012 - 18:02
Sorry for the total hijack folks.
by beetree on 19 February 2012 - 18:02
Actually Carlin, it's a big help.
Very refreshing, and I'm glad it's you. Now, do tell the three good things.

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