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Slamdunc, are you claiming that Dr. Steve Pieczenik is not a good source.  You say you checked on every one and claim they are all highly suspect.  I think that you are wrong saying Dr. Pieczenik is suspect.  He has a long record of credibilty, has served our country valiently, is a proven HERO and his word is a good as gold (that's why he has had so much credibility with foreign leaders that he has negotiated rescue deals with for hostages.  He has personally saved a lot of American lives). 

When someone claims to have checked out all my sources and says they are all highly suspect, then I am sure this person has not even read and studied the documents I have provided access to.  Take for example the "finders" a  major deep black mindkontrol op run out of SAC in Omaha which is still unfortunately still active. When you blindly dismiss such documents such as this, the WPLG docs, Operation Northwoods docs you are disrespecting the heros that gave their lives to expose these evil operations and those that are still being watched and periodically harassed for continuing to expose and try to stop these high crimes. 

Please provid substantiated evidence that the actual Northwoods docs come from a questionable source or are not true.  You can't make that stick, because they are official declassified US Govt docs from the National Archives.  The finders docs have been validated and cross validated many times, including by one of the investigating officers in customs who was there and was disgusted (Ramirez). For you to say the source is questionable is beyond absurd and disrespectful to the honest agents and congressional investigators that have been fighting to expose and stop these govt and intel crimes.  I know several who have been threatened, forced into early retirement, run off the road, and periodically harassed and abused for many years for refusing to go along with these elite deviant crimes and refused to stop telling anyone that would listen.  You are coming off like an ignorant, uninformed broken record and it's not worth repeating this to you anymore.  You just have no credibility with your statements about these docs and witnesses/sources such as Dr. Steve Pieczenik.  Now, ignore the videos if you must, but the testimony and docs I provided have 100% proven credibility and they speak for themselves. It doesn't matter about my credentials, training or actual real time experiences with these matters. It's best to deal only with verifiable docs and credible witnesses which you refuse to do or are perhaps unable to do.  If you think Dr. Pieczenik or Gen. Albert "Bert" Stubbelbine are liars on these 911 matters, say so.  In fact I'll give you their email addresses and you can contact them directly and tell them you think they are questionable and/or lying, if you PM me.  You appear remarkably ignorant/uniformed or part of the coverup problem. I am not the only one trying to expose these high crimes and misdemeanors of Govt/intel and get them stopped.  I have many associates and compatriots that are trying to get this stopped too, and some have served at a very high level or are still doing so in various functions.

Slam, I didn't twist your comments about Oli.  They speak for themselves.  You accused him of allowing long threads to keep the visitor/reader counts, suggesting it was all about maximizing income.  Your comment was cwear, now don't try to squirm out of your accusation.  I replied that anyone who knows Oli knows your remark is blatantly untrue and couldn't be further from the truth.  Here's another fact for you to try to fit in your head. 

The Pedigreedatabase exists a very unique and creative product of Oli's software genius. It represents the ceativity, ingenuity and top programming expertise that characterizes Oli, coupled with his love for the GSD breed of many, many years.  He sunk a great deal of money into this site for many years and made a great deal of sacrifices to keep it up and running.  He designed it with many excellent, unique features seen for the first time such as SV show results for Profung and Zuchtscahu, fci standard, classified ads, kennel listings, progeny and a great database with pictures and pedigrees of  many GSD including all the greatest ones.  Many late hours of programming and fixing problems as they occurred all to keep this wonderful, unique site running for the benefit of the breed and the GSD enthusiasts.  Hopefully it now is able to pay its way with enough good advertising, but that was many years coming. There are very, very few folks with the genius or determination to create this site, build it up and maintain it for so many years with such a high degree of effectiveness.  I suspect that without Oli's great love for the GSD breed this would never have happened and we who come here would have all been been denied a great service, especially when it comes to studying top studs, breeding lines and progeny.  In the past some of us even offered to pay a nominal membership fee of $10-25 USD per year to help out with Oli's expenses because his work was so valued and many realized it was costing him a great deal to operate it.

So, yes I called you out Slam for accusing Oli of trying to maximize counts and income when that is an impossibility and really an insult to all the hard work and dedication that he has put forth for many, many years developing, managing, expanding and maintaining this site and making it the best available ever anywhere. It seems you are trying to slither out of your accusation by minimizing it.

Is there a limit? by BabyEagle4U on 15 July 2011 - 20:07 (userip: 174.60.148.139)	BabyEagle4U Post: 2619 of 2623 Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 05:22 pm Owner edit
Can't we all just get along ? (lol)  It's not like everyone is a tailored fit to anyone else .. gezzzz
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Baby Eagle  I agree! 
 

Preston, I checked a couple of your sources. Not all of your sources. The ones I checked were not valid or accurate. After that I stopped checking your sources. I'm sure you have one or two legitimate sources mixed in with all of the bogus ones. The UFO guy had me in hysterics along with the John Kerry video. I stopped after that, I had seen all I needed to know that you are full of it. I suggest you spend more time checking your own sources. As for most if your other sourced they were heresay and you admitted they weren't credible. "I once spoke with someone who said blah blah blah. I once overheard a conversation blah blah blah". My cousin knew someone who blah blah blah. Hard to check all of those sources. From now on when you post all I will see is blah blah blah.

Slam, as I mentioned multiple times, let's deal with the rock solid sources.  Let's cherry pick for the sake of clarity in the correct direction, ie in the distillation of the "best evidence" as is done with any legal investigation, as you know. How about focusing on actual real time interviews with Dr. Steve Pieczenik and Maj. Albert Stubbelbine?  How about focusing on real docs such as operation northwoods and the finders US Treasury Dept official docs.  You refuse to deal with any of these and continue sidestepping facts.  Why, are you afraid of the truth and it's implications?  Or are you doing your best to deflect from the truth for your own personal reasons.  Now, I propose that you focus on these spewcific pieces of evidence, examine them, research them, and then tell me that these docs are phoney and these sources are lying?  If you want I can give you contact info and you can make those accusations directly to Dr. Pieczenik and Gen. Stubbelbine. It would be interesting to see what they say in response.

Anyone who deals with evidence and you as a police officer especially knows that if one focuses on a single piece or two of the lightweight evidence and then exagerates its meaning while ignoring the 100% validated hard evidence, one has been dishonest intellectually and violated basic rules of logic.

I have countered your absurb claims of my sources having no validity multiple times and now you admit you stopped at the surface and jumped to conclusions based only only a couple of references which you are taking out of context and you misinterpreted them. Why don't you PM me and I'll put you in touch with the actual sources and you can tell them you think they are full of it yourself and lying. It is looking more and more like you are working here to deflect, obscure, and spread disinformation in order to avoid the truth. You admit to not examining the important docs or listening to Dr. Pieczenik or Gen. Stubbelbines interviews or looking at the finders docs or operation northwoods doc.  Without doing that your opinions have zero credibility IMO.  Why not just say that you refuse to look at the evidence or consider it because it won't fit into your head and you don't like these kind of messages of the messenger that delivers them.  That would be intellectually honest.
Cheers.

Preston,

I heard people talking at a restaurant is not a credible source.

So and so told me so is not a credible source.

Youtube is not a credible source.

Wikipedia is not a credible source.

Copies of actual documents from the National Archives. MAYBE and a big maybe at that.

Case in point. The 9/11 conspiracy. There are thousands of pieces of evidence, documents, witnesses, video, audio recordings, etc. that all point to 9/11 being a terrorist act. Now there are also (conceding a point here for sake of argument) thousands of the same pieces of evidence pointing to a coverup and 9/11 actually being a government conspiracy to start armed military conflicts in the middle east.

So, which set of evidence is REAL? Sure the documents may be real, from real government agencies and really from the National Archives. But who can say if the informaton in them is real or not? Which bunch of real documents, recordings, witness testimony, etc. is REAL and contains the TRUTH?

Somewhere there's a whole lot of faking going on. And every single bit of it is deliberate. For someone that does so much research you don't seem to really understand any of it.

Mobjack, the operation northwoods docs have been validated many times and have been admitted to be true by the DOD who declassified them.  The Finders Docs have also been validated and cross validated many times. You and Slam do not want to deal with these or with the actual recorded statements of Dr. Steve Pieczenik or Gen. Albert Stubbelbine.  You want to skip this key evidence which is rock solid.  You also want to skip over the WPLG court docs, affidavits and depositions and final ruling which proved to all jurors that the CIA was trafficking massive quantities of illegal narcotics into rust alley in Miaimi.  You want to minimize the secret BATF operations Gunrunner and Fast & Furious whicgh have been admitted as both illegal and actually to have occured by BATF, Justice Dept and Obama's press secretary.  These are facts which cannot be questioned.  And yet you and slam shrug them off like they were nothing. They are a very big deal and a lot of top officials should be indicted and arrested for abuse of process, accessiory after the fact, obstruction of justice, accessory to murder, negligent homicide, misprision of a felony, and RICO.  I say charge up and let the jury figure it all out.  And believe me fed that lie, obbstruct justice and foment murder and drug dealing get no understanding from juries, none at all.  Juries want to hang em.

I included some of my own information from personal contacts in my business but these were anecdotal.  Believe it or not they are 100% accurate however.  But the key evidence is what I have listed above, the actual Govt docs that have been validated many times over by doubters like you. And there is much, much more such as six of the memebers of the 911 Commission now going public and saying that the DOD and CIA lied and covered up and the investigation was a sham. Sen. Max Cleland quit the 911 Commsision because he said the govt was stonewalling and it was a coverup anmd a sham.  And Norman Mineta's key testimony (filmed from the hearings and now available) that Cheney changed the Norad required automatic interception rules to a normal standown until otherwise authorized by him, thus removing all air protection from DC and the pentagon.  This isn't speculation it is fact.

But not good enough you conclude. I'll bet that neither of you even examined the evidence in detail.  When a top investigatot that I worked with on certain cases, a man who investigated the Murrah building event, told me that it was a US Govt run secret operation disguised as a "sting gone bad", and actually a false flag/stand-down operation, I believe him, because he is truthful, has a long distinguished career in police intel, and provided many supporting facts.  I have been ready to drop this arguing anytime, if folks stop saying white is black and black is white and comment about the best evidence, or if they stop making rediculous claims that the evidence I presented is invalid or worthless. Actually we could just pick the finders, or operation northwoods, or fast & furious as critical nexus points of evidence.  Either of those is irrefutable, so good luck trying to discredit those stories of Govt corruption by using the Govt's own docs they released.  It can't be done and you just can't get there.  Cheers.     

Preston,
I still don't think you quite get what I've said. So I'll be crystal clear.

I said once before, and quote: I do not doubt that operations like fast and furious exist. I know they do.

Now then, your Operation Northwoods, I've never said a word about it. However, yes, that did exist but it was also back in the early 1960's. 50 years ago. The Finders, the 1980's, 30 years ago. I never said a word about that one either.

Do I doubt that either of these operations/programs or whatever someone wants to call them existed? No, I don't. Some of it like aliens controlling our nukes is just a bunch of hogwash.

What I don't think you really get is that none of this is anything NEW. Operation Mindkontrol? Think we were the first and the only ones doing it? NOT. We won't be the last either. Pick anything our government has done, is developing or is considering and I'll guarantee you, someone else is also working on it, abandoned it or is thinking about it. Mustard gas. We beat the Russians to the atom bomb by what 2 years? Did you forget the great space race? How about the rockets that Germany was testing and developing? Weaponized infectious agents, dirty bombs. How about the programs where colored people were deliberately and unknowingly infected with syphilis and people deemed "mentally incompetent" were sterilized against their will and sometimes even without their knowledge?

Fact is Preston, for as long as there have been governments, there have been secret government programs. Right or wrong, sometimes it's a necessary evil. 30-50 year old documents being declassified happens all the time. It also (usually) doesn't happen unless and until they want it to happen. Wikileaks screwed up a lot and there will be changes. Bank on that. The facts on the JFK and RFK assinations are just as old but they're not being declassified anytime soon if ever. Same with the old documentation on Area 51 and the reported aliens. There are some truths that will NEVER be known by the public.

I don't understand what your argument is. Yes, this stuff happens. It is right, not necessarily. It was determined a long time ago that if you can't experiment on people from other countries and get away with it, you have to do it on your own people. Absolute power leads toward absolute corruption. What do you think is really the motive behind this trend toward globalization?

* "What do you think is really the motive behind this trend toward globalization?" *

-- hummm I'd say in a physical science point of view it's the future of desire and the future of fate. LMAO

YAY America !!

Mobjack, Preston will never get it.

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