Quote of the Day - Page 51

Um, that Pope might have apologised after Mark Twain wrote his comment ...

but the Church has had how many years since to make amendments / annotations

to correct the pertinent verses ?  And has it ? 

Just for the record, no one with any clue considers the Pope/the catholic church the true  church.  Can we at least get that straight?

You guys sure have a stick in your craw.  You bring it into every thread.

"You guys sure have a stick in your craw." LOL

I think they have a stick somewhere else, but I'll be nice...

LOL at YR

Some people can't stomach the truth...

Sorry Red Sable I was taking the ecumenical approach;  ANY  church out there bother to

clarify, since the Catholic Pope said that ?  Or did every other church on the planet disagree

that there was anything to apologise for ?  Not aware of any debate between them on the issue.

Mark Twain must have been disappointed ...

PS  I think Catholics probably think they have "any clue";  don't they MATTER to you, who so loves 

everyone ?

I bring it into every thread????  Look again, the miserable Christians bashing Atheists, but that's okay, right??

Yes, you do! Time to figure it out.

I think the Christians are feeling like a sun shining day! Glorious God given sunshine, well, it sure is making my day today. Certainly not any ol' bit of nasty talk going on here!

 LOL

Take a chill pill and go outside and catch a butterfly. I bet it will at least do the same amount of good for your mindset as harassing the Pope/Catholics/Christians/_____fill in the blank who to hate here____________, on a quote thread.

Looky there! I think I made a funny, in a vk4 kind of way!

LOL!!! Again!!!!

Wow beetree, you really can't stand an opposing opinion, can you?  I love how you just ignore the bashing that COMES from the Christians!

I'm sure this one will really get you knickers in a twist.  Yes ML, the truth does hurt, doesn't it?

“The seriousness of throwing over hell whilst still clinging to the Atonement is obvious. If there is no punishment for sin there can be no self-forgiveness for it. If Christ paid our score, and if there is no hell and therefore no chance of our getting into trouble by forgetting the obligation, then we can be as wicked as we like with impunity inside the secular law, even from self-reproach, which becomes mere ingratitude to the Savior. On the other hand, if Christ did not pay our score, it still stands against us; and such debts make us extremely uncomfortable. The drive of evolution, which we call conscience and honor, seizes on such slips, and shames us to the dust for being so low in the scale as to be capable of them. The 'saved' thief experiences an ecstatic happiness which can never come to the honest atheist: he is tempted to steal again to repeat the glorious sensation. But if the atheist steals he has no such happiness. He is a thief and knows that he is a thief. Nothing can rub that off him. He may try to sooth his shame by some sort of restitution or equivalent act of benevolence; but that does not alter the fact that he did steal; and his conscience will not be easy until he has conquered his will to steal and changed himself into an honest man...

Now though the state of the believers in the atonement may thus be the happier, it is most certainly not more desirable from the point of view of the community. The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality of happiness, and by no means a necessity of life. Whether Socrates got as much happiness out of life as Wesley is an unanswerable question; but a nation of Socrateses would be much safer and happier than a nation of Wesleys; and its individuals would be higher in the evolutionary scale. At all events it is in the Socratic man and not in the Wesleyan that our hope lies now.

Consequently, even if it were mentally possible for all of us to believe in the Atonement, we should have to cry off it, as we evidently have a right to do. Every man to whom salvation is offered has an inalienable natural right to say 'No, thank you: I prefer to retain my full moral responsibility: it is not good for me to be able to load a scapegoat with my sins: I should be less careful how I committed them if I knew they would cost me nothing.'”
― George Bernard Shaw, Androcles and the Lion