Inspirational Scientific Discoveries! - Page 5

"When people talk about what has been done in the name of "God" through the ages, I cringe, because I myself consider those perpetrators to be hypocritical imposters."

This just irks me to no end. You are excusing bad behavior by generations of Cristians, just ask the native Americans, blacks, women, natives of other lands, witches, gays, those killed in religious wars and plenty of others to numerous to list. I highly doubt all these Christians were just hypocritical imposters and I submit that the people making excuses for these acts are actually the hypocritical imposters. Take ownership for what has been done by Christians in the past and just move on, it happened and they weren't imposters. I don't consider the genocide of 50 million native Americans to be carried out by imposters and it actually saddens me to see someone dismiss their deaths with such ease.

Woman who have had abortions are somehow bad but let that child molesting piece of shit repent and he is accepted, makes me want to puke thinking about it. Talk about hypocritical.

You are excusing bad behavior by generations of Cristians,

I'm not excusing anyones behavior. I take issue with the idea that those individuals, organizations, and insititutions represented, or now represent the example of Christ. I can label myself whatever I wish, but it does not make it so.
 

I highly doubt all these Christians were just hypocritical imposters

Then lets hear the rationale.
 

it actually saddens me to see someone dismiss their deaths with such ease.

Not sure where you're getting that idea.

Carlin the idea that the "perpetrators to be hypocritical imposters" is preposterous I doubt that these people were imposters. Are you saying every Christian who owned a slave was an imposter? Imagine those words a Christian owning another person. Oh they must be an imposter. The genocide of native Americans just carried out by a bunch of Christian imposters, what a joke those words are.

To have all these generations of Christians doing these acts and then saying they were hypocritical imposters is insane. They did these things because they wanted to (it fit their religion) and to dismiss it as being done by imposters is irresponible at best. Own it, to me sitting here now and saying these people were imposters is actually very hypocritical of Christians, they are still doing it today putting down gays and women who want abortions.

So, when a Muslim kills a Christian it was done by an imposter. I think I will ask the watchman about that concept.

So, when a Muslim kills a Christian it was done by an imposter

I don't know enough about Islam to make that kind of determination.

Look, you're certainly entitled to lump Christians together into one pile. My issue with the Christian religion is, and has always been, that anyone can open their mouth and make a simple "profession". This is an also an issue which transcends your particular concerns with it, one which I engage in to a great degree with the "churched". I have a huge problem with the idea, and it finds its beginnings in Rome. As I understand and study it, Christianity was never intended to a political or even pointedly social institution the way in which we now view it. As much as Jesus may have been politicized, he was not political. In fact, what he most vehemently opposed were the "religious". As far as the idea of "imposters", it is a common and recurring theme in the NT. As much of the basis for these opinion are found in scripture itself, I imagine that without a certain subscription or concession to the accuracy and integrity of those scriptures, the conversation is  moot due to its theological nature.


 

They weren't imposters. They are a lot like a lot of Christians, hypocritical in nature. But to make excuses by saying those that carried out these atrocities are Christian imposters is wrong. It diminishes what happened to these people.

See I don't see religion as being political at all and those that make it political should be shunned.

I would love to hear the rational behind the imposter theory but I still see it as an easy excuse for bad things done by bad people, just so happens those bad people were Chritians in this instance.

I think the best course is for the modern Christians to say our religion did wrong in the past and move on and try not to let Christianity get bogged down by not accepting gays for instance. If the ongoing gay marriage issues had happened years ago those gay people wouldn't just be discriminated against but would probably have been imprisioned or killed.

I wonder what religion Hitler and Putin were raised under. Makes you go hmmm.

They weren't imposters.

That is your opinion, and as an opinion, if you want to give creedence to it in the eyes of others, you're going to have to provide something more.
 

It diminishes what happened to these people.

Those atrocities, or any like it cannot be dimished by how people choose to label the those responsible.
 

See I don't see religion as being political at all and those that make it political should be shunned.

Holy crap!   The Christian "religion" in Europe after the fall of Rome was the center of every sphere of life, and it only got worse over time, giving us such wonderful things as the crusades, and its own anti-semitism. It was probably worse in Spain than anywhere else, but it was absolutely prevalent everywhere -state sponsored to the hilt. Today, it is every bit as political, particularly in evangelical circles given the power and influence of organization such as the Southern Baptist Convention.
 

I would love to hear the rational behind the imposter theory but I still see it as an easy excuse for bad things done by bad people

Yeah, I'm still waiting to here where those excuses are being made.
 

I wonder what religion Hitler and Putin were raised under. Makes you go hmmm.

I don't wonder, and it doesn't make go "anything", it just proves my point.
 

I think the best course is for the modern Christians to say our religion did wrong in the past

"Religion" does nothing, it is "people" who act, or not. My opinion of mainstreanm Western Christianity then or now isn't any more popular with those "christians" themselves than it is with you, and I'm actually good with that. Newsflash - it wouldn't take a crusade, the holocaust, or the slaughter of the Native Americans to precipitate that opinion.

"That is your opinion, and as an opinion, if you want to give creedence to it in the eyes of others, you're going to have to provide something more."

Just like saying they were imposters, without providing anything more. It is okay for you but I need to provide more if my opinion is to have any weight, typical.

""Religion" does nothing, it is "people" who act, or not."

It is the people who act spurred on by their religion. So, in that sense Christians "the members" love gays now don't they?



 

Just like saying they were imposters, without providing anything more.

I'm good with having that conversation, but I honestly don't think you're interested. My reasons have to do with a Biblical perspective that your own worldview does not recognize, so it would seem pointless to go there. I will say that I would think that as a Christian who has studied the faith and scriptures, my view of what consitutes a Christian should be somewhat more accurate than those who dismiss that faith entirely.
 

So, in that sense Christians "the members" love gays now don't they?

The people whom I would call Christians love gay people, yes.

"I'm good with having that conversation, but I honestly don't think you're interested. My reasons have to do with a Biblical perspective that your own worldview does not recognize, so it would seem pointless to go there. I will say that I would think that as a Christian who has studied the faith and scriptures, my view of what consitutes a Christian should be somewhat more accurate than those who dismiss that faith entirely."

I wasn't in this converstaion when you made the remark about imposters so not really sure why you didn't give anything more than your opinion and then when I disagree you say if my opinion is to be believed I need to provide more. OKAY. Pot meet kettle, lmao.

So, you are saying Red Sable, YR and gouda are not Christians because they are against gays and hate the thought of them being married? Interesting!

Gotta hit the road, miles to drive and lots of people to see.

VK4 wrote: nah thats just a cop out and denial, yr pleading a special case for the existence of god, you have nothing more than you want it to be true and you have no evidence to back a single claim you make, just supernatural illogical belief for something you have no proof. and yes matter can pop into existence, happens all the time maybe you should do some actual current research instead of reading bronze age fairy-tales.



I truly believe it is a waste of time with you......but It is either you are ignorant or lying, I hope it is just ignorant because ignorance can be fixed, you see stupid is forever but ignorant(s) can be fix that is the different(s) by the way. And to extrapolate to you scientists pointed that the Big Bang theory as to the creation of our present universe and all known space matter “this theory” however states that in a practical sense all matter was at one point, one mass somewhere in space. At some point in time, this mass blew up and sent its matter all over space creating universe. However, scientists who say this contradict prior accepted theories of matter. Most Scientists have accepted this theory which states that all matter cannot be created nor destroyed. So if we put your delusions for a side at a moment VK4 and focus on logical sense, something supernatural occurred to create the matter before the Big Bang theory, (and because of this) the Big Bang theory cannot be accepted by science for it suggests that something created the matter in the first place... something that overrides present-world physics. Intelligent design would be compelling evidences for cause of age, space and time; this is common knowledge that everything has starting point. And; space time theorem which proves that there must be a cause of designer or agent beyond space, time; that creates - universe, matter, energy, space and time. Remember “Law of conservation” of energy states that the energy and/or matter can neither be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another…Now lets focus what the Bible states! And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life” (Gen 2:7) But you see VK4, God created man from dirt supernaturally because, of course he is God. But you believe a rock contributed to create the first cell naturally.  And to be precise you believe humans came from dirt without designer, that is exactly what you believe, to me it’s speculation…NOT science; you believe that all life forms had a common ancestor and ancestor arose spontaneously somehow through some kind a process that yet had not been discovered; from the oceans or from the minerals on earth…The outcome is you came from the rock as simple as it gets. And If we look what the most science text book teaches; it says planet earth cooled and formed rocky surface about (some say) 4.5 or 4.6 Billion years ago and text book says it rain on the rocks for millions of years and it created pre-biotic soup in the ocean and this thing came alive and you evolved out of that my dear VK4. Yes, the science text book teaches you came from the rock…also according to evolution theory the water only served to dissolved the rocks to make a minerals in the pre-biotic soup…And that is pure speculation and NOT science and you my dear VK4 are indeed truly deluded…in which why you reject God.