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no other religons have moral people in them and secular people can't be moral?

actually religion is the main justification for bad people to do bad things, do you know nothing of history, about evey indinous culture has been wiped out based on religous justifications, the crusades - relligous, apartheid in SA was preached in church and justified by scripture, shtal would call a horse a rabbit if it suited him.

and Hams is a lier, hovind is a convicted lier, about every mainstream high profile evangelist have been exposed as liers, you want lists posted?

VK - I get it about Ham and Hovind, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I am not a fan of religion; not at all. I received the same indoctrination you did. Within my own path I make a clear distinction between religion and faith, with the former identifiable in my mind as little more than a social insitution with a particular sway.  What I understand to be "Christian" bares little resemblence to mainstream Christianity from before the fall of Rome to today's Western iteration. When people talk about what has been done in the name of "God" through the ages, I cringe, because I myself consider those perpetrators to be hypocritical imposters.

carlin to pin yr approach down would you call yourself a theist with a belief in jesus as oppossed to a christian per se.

or maybe just a christian who is not a fundamentalist/literalist

what would you call someone who follows jesus teaching minus the supernatural mumbo-jumbo, as far as jesus the man and his actions (less the miracles)  i could see no reason why the hardest core atheist could not draw inspiration and follow the general teachings/idea of jesus and still not contradict an atheist position?

does the question make sense?

This in no way embodies what I believe, but here, Kierkegaard does well in his criticisms, and provides a decent launching point.

 

VK4, your “cartoon picture” conversation “defining God” tells me that you really aren’t looking for an answer; simply could be lack of substance and to extrapolate definition of substance is the subject matter of thought, discourse, study, etc… the actual matter of a thing, as opposed to the appearance or shadow; reality.) It is obvious you are actually avoiding how or what defines God with an excuse WHO made GOD??? Sort of mocking attitude in which is what I would expect anyway from you. But to extrapolate the question itself “who made GOD” is a terrible question. I already talked about this before; It shows that anybody asks that has wrong understanding “who God is” The idea of God being made means he is NOT God, so you don’t call him God. So the very question itself is to be honest is silly question but yet people think it is so intelligent; if the design demands the designer then who design the designer? It just blows my mind how people can ask this question and not see the problem with it, but it does, I do realize that atheists are willingly ignorant and they are deceived….And so, the problem with the very question is assumes God had a maker, so the question is a terrible question; linguistically it doesn’t make sense, you know the “very sounds” that we make with our throats and we say the word GOD is in English, the word that has been developed to describe the creator. That’s what the word is for - it means the one who created everything, it was there before all things, that is the whole point of the word. So actually even on the linguistically level it doesn’t make sense to ask who made GOD; it is almost equivalent to say why ducks are green??? lol that question really doesn’t make any sense. But yet people promoted as some great intellectual way to get rid of idea of God. But let me ask you something what’s your other choice??? I mean if you take God out of picture you left with nothing, you left with matter created it-self, you left with giving God like properties to either time, space or matter, something has to act like God out there and you do all this just to avoid the truth the Bible says you already know him in your heart. Bible says you know that God is God and you suppress that truth in unrighteousness, stop suppressing the truth, recognize and realize, God did not had a maker, God did not had a creator, God did not had a designer, God is eternal. Matter of fact Bible talks about that God is eternal. (KJV Psalm 90 verse 2) It says:  Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. You don’t put time on God, he is not locked inside the time like we are today, and he was not created. And now if we look in KJV Genesis Chapter 21 verse 33 It says: And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God. And now KJV first Timothy 1:17 it says: Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. And you have to realize God claims himself, he tells himself he is eternal, he had no beginning and he has no ending. Now if we go back to Bible again: Bible starts, saying in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth….Why does the Bible start that way, because God is the most important focus for our thinking and for us understanding. Without God you can’t know anything at all, it would be impossible even have knowledge without God. The truth is God does not have a maker, you know you have to have God from the very beginning to get anywhere, nothing happens without God. The logic if you say who made God then who ever made God is the God of that God and then you may have to ask who made that God in which case it must be another God who made that God, so then we may see after that who made that God and you get into infinite progression, it’s much more logical to say everything was made by infinite God.  (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. In him was life; and the life was the light of men).
 

nah thats just a cop out and denial, yr pleading a special case for the existence of god, you have nothing more than you want it to be true and you have no evidence to back a single claim you make, just supernatural illogical belief for something you have no proof.

and yes matter can pop into existence, happens all the time maybe you should do some actual current research instead of reading bronze age fairy-tales.

your god is just santa clause for grown ups, and also;

VK4, I usually save all of my posts so I don't have to repeat myself twice in which I will repost my very old post and I think it is relative to answer your stupidity....lol...:)

This is what I wrote perhaps you will remember this time for sure... Some people say that there is a complete difference between faith and evidence, so let me remind you about it. Atheists / evolutionists always claim that they do have evidence and we creationist’s do not. (That is the end of it) Atheist’s always say you have faith and I do not. Atheist always making an assertion there, you would say I don’t make an assertion but in other words you are telling what you believe which there for statement of faith anyway. And that is the problem I see with evolutionists or atheist, typically you come up with this idea or boldly proclaim assert, you say hey we don’t have faith we got evidence, that’s what people like you claim… And then you say Christian’s the once have Religion, have faith. You put kind of religion and faith in this one world and scientific evidence in another world; when in reality the way you are presenting isn’t exactly accurate because you presenting faith, if is this blind thing, hey it doesn’t make any sense, you don’t have any evidence but you are going to believe it anyway. You see the evidence doesn’t speak, what you done is you look at the evidence and you draw a conclusion about the evidence. You can’t listen and hear it, the evidence doesn’t talk and it doesn’t ever speak and that is the real thing/issue here. You would also boldly claim that you don’t based anything an assumption, you would say that you based everything on a scientific facts, but I say you still have an assumption because you are assuming that there is a scientific facts that can be made sense of; that are going to be same today, tomorrow and continuing that way, that’s the biggest assumption, particularly in your world view where you believing the world came around by random chance and you really don’t have logical base for believing that scientific facts can be interpret in such a way.
You see you do have assumptions and there for you can be wrong about everything, the thing what you know/believe could be wrong, you assume that you exist, you assume that the universe exist, and you assume that you can form model(s) of reality; those are assumptions, you can’t know them to be absolutely true. But the problem I see here is when you look up the word assumption in a dictionary; it says a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof. And that is the key right there I see. You make faith based assumptions and assumption is faith based.
And now I would like to look at one of Richard Dawkins quote. He said faith means blind trust, in the absence of evidence, even in the teeth of evidence… You see VK4, you say that evolution had happened and that is the fact; you can’t know the evolution had happened - that is faith based statement. But now I would like to look in one of TV program when Richard was asked, what proof can you give that evolution happened; Richard Dawkins said don’t need proof we know it’s true. Wow, and that is faith based claim Richard is saying here. When Richard says that we don’t need proof, he is making an assertion that it’s all based on faith and that is the problem.
Mark Twain once said; faith is “believing” what you know isn’t so.
Is there really what faith is?
What is the Biblical definition of faith, when we look at God’s word, do we believe in faith, is it blind? Is it because of evidence? Let’s see what God’s word has to say, real faith is.
But I would like to start with that I was talking about faith, assumptions that many people make and how atheist who say that they don’t have faith, actually do have faith, atheists have a lot of faith. Every single person makes assumptions; the question is what you are assuming to be true, are you trusting your senses and reasoning or are you going to go outside of yourself and trust outside source, the king of the universe “God” is the one who I put my faith and trust in. So let’s look at the Biblical definition of faith; what is the Bible say about faith. (Hebrew chapter 11 verse 1) It says: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. To break that down what the verse is saying the faith is two things, faith is substance and faith is the evidence. It says the faith is the evidence, you see you don’t actually need evidence for faith because you see, Richard Dawkins definition of faith being blind trust were true I wouldn’t be a person of faith, I am person of faith because I know who God is, I know him. And this is why atheist find greatly difficult to understand because they assume we simply believing something in the same way that they not.
Let’s go back to Bible (John chapter 1, verse 12 - 13) talking about those who are sons of God, I think this is fascinating, tells us very clearly the truth about him. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: and (verse 13) which is powerful: Which were born, not of Blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. You really need to be born of God in order to understand this, my dear VK4. It’s absolutely interesting the thing, point Paul is making here is you don’t need to have evidence for your faith because faith is knowledge base thing, we know God, faith is the evidence.
VK4, The Bible says that the fool said in his heart there is no God, imaging somebody came up to you and said I don’t believe in words, you think that he/she is a fool, you wouldn’t pull out dictionary and give him evidence and you wouldn’t believe him, somebody comes up to and said I don’t believe in God, we don’t think that they are fool, we give them evidence and we believe them when the Bible calls them fools, something got wrong. God’s word clearly says that you do, I don’t need to proof the word of God to you; faith is the evidence.
 

you expect people to read all that BS, i stuck with it for awhile, you are completly wrong again, you think cos you repeat something it will go from being wrong to right? 

and i don't assume i exist, i do exist, it is not an assumption it is an obvious fact you idiot.

i have multiple lines of evidence, measurements, tests, data,  repeatable experiments, double blind experiments for things i that are facts, all can be independently verified by anyone seeking the truth not hiding from it.

you can not predict a single thing with the bible, the bible does not have a single explanation for anything that can be independently verified. you can't even tell me who wrote the bible or which of the hundreds of versions are correct, you ignore clear contradictions in scripture in the same chapters describing the same event. there are thousands of different christain denominations that all beleive they have the correct interpretation and the others are wrong, how do determine which is right, what of the other bazillion non-christian religions that have there myths, how do you suppose yours is right and the others are wrong, you can't.

 

Shtal.

it's all just a bad dream baby.