David Wilkerson vs Joel Osteen - Page 4

Regarding things written on the first page......Truly if Joel was preaching THE truth (as in the complete truth), he would not have as many followers as he does. He so often promotes the ideas of health, wealth, and prosperity (from the sermons I've heard from him) and how things will go so greatly for you. The Bible does not teach that of a Christian life; Especially consider the Christians in the first century who were persecuted severely by the Roman Empire, and even by many Jews.  The one's who preach (just as Jesus and His Apostles did) the whole truth will have many who hate them; Consider through the Scriptures even how they died; Consider through tradition how most every Apostle died a horrific death for the faith.  I have never once heard of Joel preach on the plan of Salvation shown through the Scriptures. I have heard him say that you "pray a certain prayer" (can't remember how he worded it), accept Jesus into your heart, and join a Bible based Church. But he fails to tell the whole truth on so many levels. Not to mention these false teachers care more about their wallets than your souls.

Red Sable, you are right to believe that one can lose their Salvation.  Consider the seven Churches at Asia, how they were called to repent (5 out of the 7 were), and how their would be punishment (mentioned through the words of Christ, through John) if they did not. They had been saved, but a number of them had fallen away. I can give more examples later on other Scriptures that show one can lose their Salvation, but It's interesting though how so many denominations have arisen. Things taught that were not authorized in Scripture by the Apostles (as I mentioned before in another post, the Apostles were led into remembrance of all the truth that Jesus taught them, by the Holy Spirit, I can site verses for that later when I have time); The fact that the Apostles teachings would be binding as well.....There is no idea of Scriptures changing because Scripture cannot be broken. I'll post Scriptures for these later tonight if I have the time, I have to get off in a sec; I will not state all denominations or others are "going to Hell" as some claim the Church of Christ believes.  But many would do good to consider are they truly a part of Christ's Church if they are doing things He did not authorize/He through His Apostles? That's a food for thought question for denominations who claim to be of His Church, but yet so many don't follow the teachings of the Scripture.  Jude 3 says Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.  Evident through more Scriptures than just Jude 3 how there is one faith......Not many. Notice it was once for all handed down to the saints.  Just as the last part of Galatians 6:10 states "the household of the faith".....Not the faiths, not faiths....but the household of the faith....

Shtal The video you posted about hell.. .I can't think of suitable words to describe..maybe yuck!!..

and BTW Gouda, no one will find themselves in hell because of people like Joel,,Folks get there all by themselves..Furthermore, people don't "get saved" because you scared them into it either...

Redsable and GSDGuy08,,  Nope..sorry you're wrong..You can not lose your salvation...


Thanks be to God that it doesn't depend on any of us to get the job done!!!...What a royal mess we have here!!!........It is only for the fact that I believe in Gods certain sovereignty that I can have hope amid this theological disaster ...Otherwise I would be utterly depressed by what I read on this thread,,,

Heaven help us!..
 

 It's just plain scary that you guys walk amongst the rest of us.

 It's just plain scary that you guys walk amongst the rest of us.

Ruger1 wrote: Nope..sorry you're wrong..You can not lose your salvation...


Salvation could/can be lost! Otherwise Paul wouldn’t say, about the committing of salvation, which is there is a way. The right way that will lead to salvation, the wrong way wouldn’t. Repentance is the first step to salvation. Israel came out of Egypt was brought (saved) but not all of them got to Promised Land. "Endures to the end shall be saved" Matthew 24:13.





Ruger1 wrote: The video you posted about hell.. .I can't think of suitable words to describe..maybe yuck!!..

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Translation1:
But those who are full of fear and without faith, the unclean and takers of life, those who do the sins of the flesh, and those who make use of evil powers or who give worship to images, and all those who are false, will have their part in the sea of ever-burning fire which is the second death.

For you
Ruger1

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security

   gouda

 

Gouda,

Your link has an error, perhaps I could fix it for you... http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm

Thank you my dear friend.

   gouda

Bear with us Felloffher,  I know it all sounds bizarre, time will tell.

Excellent article Gouda.  Hopefully this link works

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/eternal-security.htm

Another silly ridiculous video.........

Hey!  it doesn't just sound bizzare..it is bizarre..

I am at a loss for words,,