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by Carlin on 16 February 2012 - 16:02
Gsdguy- not sure what you expected after you read the title of the thread, or how much "arguing" is going on here. I will say, that I have always believed one is either part of the problem, or part of the solution. You posted here why?

by GSD Admin on 16 February 2012 - 16:02
Wow and I know little children who profess to be all grown up.

by Carlin on 16 February 2012 - 17:02
Yeah...was afraid of that. Sorry, wrong anthrolopologic pay-grade; my mistake.

by Ruger1 on 16 February 2012 - 17:02
Without giving away my age,,lol,,I grew up with Whitney,,loved her music and IMO she was probably the most talented female singer of all time,,,I am saddened to hear about her death and that she struggled with substance abuse. ...
Because she was a celebrity we can not help but feel more personally affected by her death. I don't think anyone would say her life is more valuable or less valuable then anyones else. Like most who struggle with substance abuse it destroyed her and her beautiful talent that many enjoyed and admired,,,
My girls (teens) and me spent some time listening to Whitney's music videos and we were saddened that her talent will no longer be. We know that she was a substance abuser and fell into a dangerous lifestyle that eventually destroyed her..We see her for what she is; not an example to follow, not a hero, not a role model...Just a human being that struggled with the reality of our frail and vulnerable humanity..A sober reminder that our struggle with addictions is no respecter of person or position..
Because she was a celebrity we can not help but feel more personally affected by her death. I don't think anyone would say her life is more valuable or less valuable then anyones else. Like most who struggle with substance abuse it destroyed her and her beautiful talent that many enjoyed and admired,,,
My girls (teens) and me spent some time listening to Whitney's music videos and we were saddened that her talent will no longer be. We know that she was a substance abuser and fell into a dangerous lifestyle that eventually destroyed her..We see her for what she is; not an example to follow, not a hero, not a role model...Just a human being that struggled with the reality of our frail and vulnerable humanity..A sober reminder that our struggle with addictions is no respecter of person or position..

by GSD Admin on 16 February 2012 - 17:02



by GSDguy08 on 16 February 2012 - 18:02
Beetree, I should have put .....another thread on it's way to becoming ridiculous. It just seems like any thread like this ends up at 15 pages and crazy arguments. But anywho, my thoughts on her death.... I do think it's sad, I think any death is sad, but I don't put any death...or soul (like a soldier) as being more important than another. I think she brought a lot to the music industry, just as soldiers do a lot for our country. Personally, I don't like that she did drugs, and that she had an addiction. They said she over came that though didn't she? If that's true, that's great. They haven't released the actual cause of death yet have they? I haven't really heard much more than what I heard not long after it happened.
german shepherd dog.....I'm going to ignore anything you say from now on. You look to stir up things with me.
german shepherd dog.....I'm going to ignore anything you say from now on. You look to stir up things with me.

by Wildbill7145 on 16 February 2012 - 18:02
Personally, her music wasn't exactly my genre. However, I can recognize that she was in fact an incredible singer and very talented during her time of fame.
Once things went off the rails for her however, her life became somewhat of a side show train wreck played out in the tabloids. Sadly, her death will follow the same path.
I do think it's sad that she died. I think it's sad when anyone with a substance abuse issue dies, whether they're a currently using junkie or someone on the path to recovery. I worked in corrections for years and I've known many people who died while using, killed themselves during recovery and died from the damage they'd done to their bodies while using. It's not relevent whether what they were using was legal or not. I really don't see the difference between someone dying because they smoked for 30 years, drank themselves to death or died with a needle hanging out of their arm.
Since her death I've seen many people angry stating that she was a role model and her memory should hold some responsibility in this regard. I've never understood that logic. Whether she was famous and rich, or a poor down trodden person living under a bridge, it's their life and their personal problem albeit a very serious one.
The tabloids are going to milk her death for all it's worth, just like they do with anyone else who garners viewers/readers/etc. Wathers will watch, readers will read until some other story cathes their attention then this will all fall by the wayside.
I am surprised by how volatile the different camps are with this one relative to other celeb deaths. I don't remember this happening as much when Cobain or Winehouse died, or various others for that matter. I don't just mean on this forum either.
Once things went off the rails for her however, her life became somewhat of a side show train wreck played out in the tabloids. Sadly, her death will follow the same path.
I do think it's sad that she died. I think it's sad when anyone with a substance abuse issue dies, whether they're a currently using junkie or someone on the path to recovery. I worked in corrections for years and I've known many people who died while using, killed themselves during recovery and died from the damage they'd done to their bodies while using. It's not relevent whether what they were using was legal or not. I really don't see the difference between someone dying because they smoked for 30 years, drank themselves to death or died with a needle hanging out of their arm.
Since her death I've seen many people angry stating that she was a role model and her memory should hold some responsibility in this regard. I've never understood that logic. Whether she was famous and rich, or a poor down trodden person living under a bridge, it's their life and their personal problem albeit a very serious one.
The tabloids are going to milk her death for all it's worth, just like they do with anyone else who garners viewers/readers/etc. Wathers will watch, readers will read until some other story cathes their attention then this will all fall by the wayside.
I am surprised by how volatile the different camps are with this one relative to other celeb deaths. I don't remember this happening as much when Cobain or Winehouse died, or various others for that matter. I don't just mean on this forum either.

by Keith Grossman on 17 February 2012 - 02:02
"The tabloids are going to milk her death for all it's worth..."
It's unreasonable to suggest that someone who gladly welcomes the rewards of fame shouldn't expect the associated scrutiny.
"I don't remember this happening as much when Cobain or Winehouse died..."
I was never terribly interested in Winehouse but Cobain was, likewise, just a pathetic, self-absorbed loser. I have personally played with a lot of people with far more innate musical talent than any of these...people who never got the chance and wouldn't have squandered it if they did.
It's unreasonable to suggest that someone who gladly welcomes the rewards of fame shouldn't expect the associated scrutiny.
"I don't remember this happening as much when Cobain or Winehouse died..."
I was never terribly interested in Winehouse but Cobain was, likewise, just a pathetic, self-absorbed loser. I have personally played with a lot of people with far more innate musical talent than any of these...people who never got the chance and wouldn't have squandered it if they did.

by ggturner on 17 February 2012 - 16:02
Been busy the past few days so I just caught up on this thread since my last post.
Bee, you misunderstood me. I was not placing more value on any one person's life. I was just pointing out the extreme the media takes when a celebrity dies versus individuals who do much more for our country. That does not mean that the soldier/police officer is (was) more valuable than the celebrity, but their contribution to society was more valuable. The media (and society) value entertainment more than sacrificing for others.
Bee, you misunderstood me. I was not placing more value on any one person's life. I was just pointing out the extreme the media takes when a celebrity dies versus individuals who do much more for our country. That does not mean that the soldier/police officer is (was) more valuable than the celebrity, but their contribution to society was more valuable. The media (and society) value entertainment more than sacrificing for others.
by beetree on 17 February 2012 - 16:02
ggturner:
I still think this statement of yours is debatable:
And I also don't think your last statement is accurate, either. I do believe it is your perception. Airtime is not a good predictor or a scientific determination for what you suggest.
Mostly my point is, one should not be compared to each other as a way of pinning value to a particular lifetime, and whether or not their manner of passing must meet every bodies moral standards to garner sympathy.
I still think this statement of yours is debatable:
but their contribution to society was more valuable. |
And I also don't think your last statement is accurate, either. I do believe it is your perception. Airtime is not a good predictor or a scientific determination for what you suggest.
Mostly my point is, one should not be compared to each other as a way of pinning value to a particular lifetime, and whether or not their manner of passing must meet every bodies moral standards to garner sympathy.
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