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by Mindhunt on 28 February 2014 - 00:02
Why do people insist that gay is a choice, it is not per empirical research, science, and genetics (unless of course you are of that group that believes the earth is only 6,000 years old). Saying gay is a choice is like saying straight is a choice. Also God created us in his image.
by GSD Admin on 28 February 2014 - 00:02
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 February 2014 - 00:02
Then I guess all will have to wait till the Pearly Gates open and you enter in for that Grand Day of Judgement and when the clouds part and God comes back to claim His own to know if that is so or if science and opinion are what are truth.
You have a choice to believe and study the BIBLE in its origin and or you have a choice to condemn it or not believe,.It is nothing new to Gods Kingdom for many to try to disprove and to claim the BIBLE is a myth or just a log of stories
That choice is yours
Yes, their is a reason some creatures are born out of Gods plan and some creatures both beast and man are born abnormal
God has all the answers if you ask and look for them
Science disproves nothing,..It proves Man disobeyed GOD from the beginning,
YR
You have a choice to believe and study the BIBLE in its origin and or you have a choice to condemn it or not believe,.It is nothing new to Gods Kingdom for many to try to disprove and to claim the BIBLE is a myth or just a log of stories
That choice is yours
Yes, their is a reason some creatures are born out of Gods plan and some creatures both beast and man are born abnormal
God has all the answers if you ask and look for them
Science disproves nothing,..It proves Man disobeyed GOD from the beginning,
YR
by GSD Admin on 28 February 2014 - 00:02
So, gays are beasts and abnormal, very interesting. How about mentally challenged people are they beasts?
just asking
just asking
by Red Sable on 28 February 2014 - 01:02
I wasn't going to respond to this whacky subject, but concerning gays, just wanted to mention, I read an article concerning a pedophile who is saying the same thing as gays, that he was BORN that way. You folks agree with that then? and that we should 'understand' him and not hold it against him or his fellow pedophiles? Can you not see where this is going?? It scares the heck out of me. This world is spiraling into moraless decay.
I agree that some are born more feminine/ masculine than others of the same sex, however, your sex life is a CHOICE. I know of many more feminine men who are straight. Some figure skaters come to mind, same with more masculine women.
Many homosexuals admit to being sexually abused as a child. That can mess a poor child up, not only that, so can pornography and whatever other perversions people are into. Many and I mean many also go straight again after being gay.
Sorry, I don't buy the born that way theory at all.
I agree that some are born more feminine/ masculine than others of the same sex, however, your sex life is a CHOICE. I know of many more feminine men who are straight. Some figure skaters come to mind, same with more masculine women.
Many homosexuals admit to being sexually abused as a child. That can mess a poor child up, not only that, so can pornography and whatever other perversions people are into. Many and I mean many also go straight again after being gay.
Sorry, I don't buy the born that way theory at all.
by vk4gsd on 28 February 2014 - 01:02
straight members of the church in fact have a higher concentration of ped's than the occurrance of ped's in the general population - so do we conclude that the church and people that read the bible is a breeding ground and promotes a pre-disposition for ped's....straight or gay?
by Hundmutter on 28 February 2014 - 04:02
In or out of 'the Church', there are a great deal many more paedophiles
who are straight (ie heterosexual) or do not care which gender their victims
are, than there are gay paedophiles who only abuse boys.
I say that from both being aware of the research into this area and from
personal experience as a child.
As a victim I can still find it in myself to say: whether the paedophile is
born or made, they are sick people who deserve some sympathy, out of
our simple humanity, they need to be treated and made safe (whether that
amounts to imprisonment or chemical / physical castration ). What they
should not suffer is vigilante-ism or lynching, as that only makes us as bad
as them. Some of the people who sound off longest and loudest against
paedos and other pervs are, again I M E, hiding their own misconduct
against small children.
PS Why is this thred making the ancient howler of equating 'gay' with
paedophile, anyway ? Two different preferences !
who are straight (ie heterosexual) or do not care which gender their victims
are, than there are gay paedophiles who only abuse boys.
I say that from both being aware of the research into this area and from
personal experience as a child.
As a victim I can still find it in myself to say: whether the paedophile is
born or made, they are sick people who deserve some sympathy, out of
our simple humanity, they need to be treated and made safe (whether that
amounts to imprisonment or chemical / physical castration ). What they
should not suffer is vigilante-ism or lynching, as that only makes us as bad
as them. Some of the people who sound off longest and loudest against
paedos and other pervs are, again I M E, hiding their own misconduct
against small children.
PS Why is this thred making the ancient howler of equating 'gay' with
paedophile, anyway ? Two different preferences !
by GSD Admin on 28 February 2014 - 05:02
"This world is spiraling into moraless decay."
Ever heard of the roaring twenties?? People have been like this for years and years, they just hid it and kept it behind closed doors.
Yes, I believe some pedophiles are born liking children. The big difference between the 2 are obvious and I am not going to point it out, you can figure it out. Can some pedophiles turn to abusing children - yes those being abused have a greater chance of abusing. But, not all born gay children have been abused so that argument is out the window.
So, if God was against gays why not just strike them down dead or better yet with his awesome powers just change them?
"Many and I mean many also go straight again after being gay." I wonder why? Many? You know many gays who have went straight? More like they are/were bi-sexual. They still have feelings for the same sex, they just hide it to be accepted by society. What happens if your child is gay? Will you send him/her to a place so the gay can be driven out. Will you disown them? Will you brow beat them until they see the light or will you love and accept them because they are your child a child of God by the way.
All through history people have put down people who were different - they used to lock up the mentally challenged, enslave blacks and keep woman down. Discrimination is a very large part of who people are and this is no different, if you think it is you are blind.
BTW, being masculine or feminine has absolutely nothing to do with being gay or not.
Ever heard of the roaring twenties?? People have been like this for years and years, they just hid it and kept it behind closed doors.
Yes, I believe some pedophiles are born liking children. The big difference between the 2 are obvious and I am not going to point it out, you can figure it out. Can some pedophiles turn to abusing children - yes those being abused have a greater chance of abusing. But, not all born gay children have been abused so that argument is out the window.
So, if God was against gays why not just strike them down dead or better yet with his awesome powers just change them?
"Many and I mean many also go straight again after being gay." I wonder why? Many? You know many gays who have went straight? More like they are/were bi-sexual. They still have feelings for the same sex, they just hide it to be accepted by society. What happens if your child is gay? Will you send him/her to a place so the gay can be driven out. Will you disown them? Will you brow beat them until they see the light or will you love and accept them because they are your child a child of God by the way.
All through history people have put down people who were different - they used to lock up the mentally challenged, enslave blacks and keep woman down. Discrimination is a very large part of who people are and this is no different, if you think it is you are blind.
BTW, being masculine or feminine has absolutely nothing to do with being gay or not.
by Shtal on 28 February 2014 - 05:02
Romans Chapter 7
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
by Shtal on 28 February 2014 - 05:02
Romans Chapter 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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