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by Two Moons on 24 August 2013 - 14:08
7 meats true as far as I know, also just as many ways to make the soup from what I gather.
The soups I've had were heavy on cloves.
Saw the goat thing too, getting brush off hill sides reducing fire risk among other things.
carp,
I like salmon but hate the smell, silver carp is much stronger, people have eaten native carp around here forever, much different than these silver chinese carp.
I've not heard about pressure cooking but rather some sort of steaming process.
It's not wise to eat fish from the Ohio river very often because of the pollutants in the river, especially heavy metals that build up in the fish.
My favorite is lake caught Blue Gil fillets......extremely good.
When I was a kid there was a place on the Indiana Kentucky border the served barbequed dog, I even remember horse meat dogfood.
The soups I've had were heavy on cloves.
Saw the goat thing too, getting brush off hill sides reducing fire risk among other things.
carp,
I like salmon but hate the smell, silver carp is much stronger, people have eaten native carp around here forever, much different than these silver chinese carp.
I've not heard about pressure cooking but rather some sort of steaming process.
It's not wise to eat fish from the Ohio river very often because of the pollutants in the river, especially heavy metals that build up in the fish.
My favorite is lake caught Blue Gil fillets......extremely good.
When I was a kid there was a place on the Indiana Kentucky border the served barbequed dog, I even remember horse meat dogfood.
by Hundmutter on 24 August 2013 - 14:08
Vonissk, I've always thought that too; or if I was in a country
where custom meant eating dog was normal, or a delicacy ...
like someone said, if we are prepared to eat pigs, dogs are
not so different. Dunno why ppl get so screwed up at the
thought. Of course you don't have to eat your OWN dogs,
or anyone's pets. And the markets in Korea etc where
they often keep dogs for eating in such a poor state are a
different and terrible issue, for animal welfare reasons. But
it's like the reluctance to eat horse-meat; if ppl want to be
fussy, they should become vegetarian instead of saying one
meat is ok, one meat isn't.
Still don't fancy beaver or 'possum, deep fried or any other
way ... but that would depend on where I was, and how hungry
I was !
where custom meant eating dog was normal, or a delicacy ...
like someone said, if we are prepared to eat pigs, dogs are
not so different. Dunno why ppl get so screwed up at the
thought. Of course you don't have to eat your OWN dogs,
or anyone's pets. And the markets in Korea etc where
they often keep dogs for eating in such a poor state are a
different and terrible issue, for animal welfare reasons. But
it's like the reluctance to eat horse-meat; if ppl want to be
fussy, they should become vegetarian instead of saying one
meat is ok, one meat isn't.
Still don't fancy beaver or 'possum, deep fried or any other
way ... but that would depend on where I was, and how hungry
I was !
by Two Moons on 24 August 2013 - 14:08
When your hungry enough you'll eat just about anything, those who won't or can't generally have starved.
The thing about beaver is they are easy to catch and can be found winter or summer.
The thing about beaver is they are easy to catch and can be found winter or summer.
by vonissk on 24 August 2013 - 15:08
OK Moons I get what you are saying about the carp. I was misunderstood that the silver carp is different then the regular ole American ones.
You know Hund you're exactly right--one never knows what they may have to eat to survive.
Speaking of horsemeat, I remember when it was popular in dog food too. One day in East LA (which is all Hispanic) I was walking down the street and came upon a taqueria and decided to get a couple of tacos. I have eaten everything they sell in the stores but lamb and only cause I can't get past the smell of it. I have eaten BBQ goat but never had horsemeat..But I swear to you guys I think this was horsemeat. It was cut in cubes, they were kind of gray and very chewy. Nothing like any meat I ever saw or tasted. It was OK but not something I'd want all the time.
And Hund I have seen those dead animals in those oriental shops and that's what they look like nasty dead animals. Very sickening looking................I prefer the Chinese restaurant in my town--it has easily identifiable food and is cheap and good. If I ever went to the Orient, I would have to live on American sodas and chips.................
You know Hund you're exactly right--one never knows what they may have to eat to survive.
Speaking of horsemeat, I remember when it was popular in dog food too. One day in East LA (which is all Hispanic) I was walking down the street and came upon a taqueria and decided to get a couple of tacos. I have eaten everything they sell in the stores but lamb and only cause I can't get past the smell of it. I have eaten BBQ goat but never had horsemeat..But I swear to you guys I think this was horsemeat. It was cut in cubes, they were kind of gray and very chewy. Nothing like any meat I ever saw or tasted. It was OK but not something I'd want all the time.
And Hund I have seen those dead animals in those oriental shops and that's what they look like nasty dead animals. Very sickening looking................I prefer the Chinese restaurant in my town--it has easily identifiable food and is cheap and good. If I ever went to the Orient, I would have to live on American sodas and chips.................
by erin j on 24 August 2013 - 16:08
A horse isn't very different intelligence wise as a cow.. Least some of them LoL.. Problem with horse slaughter is that most horses have not been raised solely for consumption, and the vaccines, medicines and wormers used for horses have not been tested thoroughly enough to know if it will pass into the meat and cause issues for humans.. As long as the animals are treated humanely and slaughtered as painless as possible, I really don't care what gets eaten.. Well with the exception of highly intelligent animals like elephants, dolphins, primates... I think that's kind of messed up..Just my opinion.. The way factory farm raised animals like pigs are treated is not right to me that's why I don't really eat meat.. I'll try animals raised on a farm, or hunted, but I stay away from mass produced factory farmed meats.. Unless they start butchering people, I know a few of those that I'd like to put in a freezer ;)
by vonissk on 24 August 2013 - 18:08
Come on over Thelma--LOL==I've got a fairly empty deepfreeze and I've damn sure got the ass (as I call being really pissed) for my friend today. He was my lover last week but this week he has been a real bitch.........which is why I haven't been in a relationship since I lost my husband in 1999--he was my true soulmate..............Grrrrrrrrrrr think I liked it better with just the dogs...............sorry guys just got a little carried away with Erins last thought........
by Hundmutter on 24 August 2013 - 18:08
I totally agree about the methods food animals can be raised under,
with intensive farming etc. That sucks, which is why I try to ensure
meat that I eat comes from controlled sources, as far as possible.
And the overdosing on antibiotics stuff is also true and needs to be
considered. So these days I eat less meat, and probably (though I
can ill-afford it ) better cuts, organic products, etc. The only option,
in my way of thinking, if not to become a veggie. Who knows, I might
even turn vegetarian yet.
While I understand what you say, Erin, re animals like elephants and
chimpanzees, if you are raised in a country where Bushmeat is 'normal'
food to you, and more easily available than some of the animals we take
for granted in the West, then that's what you eat while you are living there.
[ not talking about poaching, for umbrella stands and ivory, btw !].
Had to laugh at the indignation engendered by our recent horsemeat in
burgers and cottage pies scandal, though. The GSDs I was first most
involved with, way back when I was a teenager in the 60's & 70's, were
fairly regularly fed horse, boiled up in a big pot. It neither looked nor smelled
very pleasant, but the dogs loved it.
with intensive farming etc. That sucks, which is why I try to ensure
meat that I eat comes from controlled sources, as far as possible.
And the overdosing on antibiotics stuff is also true and needs to be
considered. So these days I eat less meat, and probably (though I
can ill-afford it ) better cuts, organic products, etc. The only option,
in my way of thinking, if not to become a veggie. Who knows, I might
even turn vegetarian yet.
While I understand what you say, Erin, re animals like elephants and
chimpanzees, if you are raised in a country where Bushmeat is 'normal'
food to you, and more easily available than some of the animals we take
for granted in the West, then that's what you eat while you are living there.
[ not talking about poaching, for umbrella stands and ivory, btw !].
Had to laugh at the indignation engendered by our recent horsemeat in
burgers and cottage pies scandal, though. The GSDs I was first most
involved with, way back when I was a teenager in the 60's & 70's, were
fairly regularly fed horse, boiled up in a big pot. It neither looked nor smelled
very pleasant, but the dogs loved it.
by Hundmutter on 24 August 2013 - 18:08
Vonissk !!!
Commiserations !!! Bleedin' men, always let ya
down ... Tell him I'll come over and cut him up for cooking, if he
hurts you !
(Nah, seriously, couldn't do that; but you have my support-vibes
flowing to you, sorry to hear it's not good at the moment).
Commiserations !!! Bleedin' men, always let yadown ... Tell him I'll come over and cut him up for cooking, if he
hurts you !
(Nah, seriously, couldn't do that; but you have my support-vibes
flowing to you, sorry to hear it's not good at the moment).
by erin j on 24 August 2013 - 19:08
Sorry to hear you are having a tough time Vonissk :( Can't blame it just on all men being asses though.. My thoughts is even if you are with a woman, they'd probably turn into an ass too.. I think it's relationships that are a royal pain!! I always tell my husband if we split up, I'll just have to kill him and feed him to the dogs, because I don't want to deal with the ex husband drama with the kids LOL.. Then I'd just be single and find some young guy to, uh.. hang out with :) Then send him on his way.. hehe..
True Hundmutter, I agree that if you are raised in a culture that lives by consuming bush meats and such, it is different. I was more thinking about developed countries like certain Orient countries that do the dolphin slaughters, and eat stuff like monkey brains, while the monkey is still alive, and use Rhino tusks for aphrodisiacs.. I'm all for cultural differences, I just wouldn't partake in it..
I too was laughing about the outcry of horse meat in the burgers.. I thought that if these people really knew what went on to get hamburger meat, they probably wouldn't cry about a little horse meat ;/ Google "pink slime" mmm,..
True Hundmutter, I agree that if you are raised in a culture that lives by consuming bush meats and such, it is different. I was more thinking about developed countries like certain Orient countries that do the dolphin slaughters, and eat stuff like monkey brains, while the monkey is still alive, and use Rhino tusks for aphrodisiacs.. I'm all for cultural differences, I just wouldn't partake in it..
I too was laughing about the outcry of horse meat in the burgers.. I thought that if these people really knew what went on to get hamburger meat, they probably wouldn't cry about a little horse meat ;/ Google "pink slime" mmm,..
by vonissk on 24 August 2013 - 20:08
I agree about how meat is raised and processed also. Now I worked at a meat factory in Ok City----they made the hamburgers and canadian bacon for McDonalds'..........Andersen's Meats it was called. I think it served 5 states...........Anyway I worked on the line that they would bring a big big bigass box on a pallet full of these can bac rolls................what my job was was to get a bunch of these up and pile them on my table below the slicer--then I made a cut down the side and sort of twirled it and fed it into the slicer--said all that to say this......you had to wear gloves but when you made that slit all kinds of smoke flavored liquid shit burst out and sometimes--more than not--got above those gloves--that crap sort of made a rash and fried it all at the same time. Screw that--I was working ay a day labor and they tended to give you the crappy jobs anyway...........Also I rode with a trucker in the south who hauled cows some but mostly pigs to the slaughter houses. I have first hand experience and you'll understand more when you read the next paragraph.
OK when I say I go to shop yes I do for my commodities and yes my ndn cheese LOL......it's not like when we got stuff out of the back of a truck and half of the flour and meal had weevils in it. Well I hear some places still do it--no names--but we have a regular store--you can go to www.chickasaw.net and put in the search "nutrition programs " and I think it takes you on a virtual tour.............the fresh fruits and veggies are awesome and they have a nice selection at my store--Ardmore--I'm not sure if they would be classified as organic but I think most of the stuff--veggie wise--is grown in their gardens..............now we get meat. Long time ago you got those cans of beef. We still get them, but 99% of everything else is bought stuff--pasta, oil, soups, etc etc. We also get canned salmon, canned chicken, roasts--beef- and on and on. We get this hamburger meat also. Now on the outside it has who makes it and has a big usda stamp--I know I know--but you guys since I have been getting that meat, I absolutely can't eat any store meat--seems I can taste every chemical in it................it is so nasty--the roasts are sort of small--4#s or so--very very lean and I have a day or regular, a day of sandwiches and take the rest and good juice veggies and make soup.............. The only meat I buy at the store is some kind of boneless pork chops, occasionally pork ribs and chicken livers.................oh and if I really want to gross out balogna--in ndn country it's known as ndn steak. LOL................Also meant to add above that being raised up in farm and beef country--I know what real meat tastes like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the stuff we get is the real thing.............
OK when I say I go to shop yes I do for my commodities and yes my ndn cheese LOL......it's not like when we got stuff out of the back of a truck and half of the flour and meal had weevils in it. Well I hear some places still do it--no names--but we have a regular store--you can go to www.chickasaw.net and put in the search "nutrition programs " and I think it takes you on a virtual tour.............the fresh fruits and veggies are awesome and they have a nice selection at my store--Ardmore--I'm not sure if they would be classified as organic but I think most of the stuff--veggie wise--is grown in their gardens..............now we get meat. Long time ago you got those cans of beef. We still get them, but 99% of everything else is bought stuff--pasta, oil, soups, etc etc. We also get canned salmon, canned chicken, roasts--beef- and on and on. We get this hamburger meat also. Now on the outside it has who makes it and has a big usda stamp--I know I know--but you guys since I have been getting that meat, I absolutely can't eat any store meat--seems I can taste every chemical in it................it is so nasty--the roasts are sort of small--4#s or so--very very lean and I have a day or regular, a day of sandwiches and take the rest and good juice veggies and make soup.............. The only meat I buy at the store is some kind of boneless pork chops, occasionally pork ribs and chicken livers.................oh and if I really want to gross out balogna--in ndn country it's known as ndn steak. LOL................Also meant to add above that being raised up in farm and beef country--I know what real meat tastes like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the stuff we get is the real thing.............
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