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by Mystere on 29 July 2011 - 19:07
93 dead, most of them kids. Is that not bad enough? The baseless conspiracy theories simply denigrate the reality. JMHO.
by Preston on 29 July 2011 - 21:07
Mystere, I must respectfully disagree. Baseless conspiracy theories are usually misinformation put out by the parties responsible for planning and executing the illegal act in the first place. If more than one person is involved in planning a criminal act before the act, this is by definition a conspiracy, actually referred to as a criminal conspiracy and it is a common legal charge in federal courts. Top terror experts such as Webster Tarpley, Ph.D. have already sated publicly that the Norway attacks could not have been planned or enacted by one single "lone nut". Just as with the JFK assassination, a lone nut single shooter such as the alleged assassin Oswald did not have the power to make the secret service reduce normal security procedures drastically (as they were) or make military intel stand-down. For example on that day many secret service regulations were violated, such as, slowing the presidential limo down, making a ninety degree turn of the limo, not welding the manhole covers shut, not having a secret service man or associate in every single building along the trade route making sure each building was secured (with all windows closed and no one on the roofs), making sure the motor cycle rider were on each side of the limo and the secret service agents properly placed. All these changes were serious security violations and Oswald did not have the power to make these. Sources and evidence are readily available which fully support what I have stated here, just ask if you want them provided or PM me.
One more thing, almost every western nation has deep cover well trained assets which attempt to interact with (in normal everyday life) any individuals who could become a threat to society and if they are sensed to be a potential threat or appear to have been mindcontrolled (ie sleepers), these assets work at establishing positive relationships and attempt to deprogram them and orient them in a positive and useful direction. These functions are most effective the more positive and supportive they are. I know one such individual very well who has been engaged in these functions on behalf of his country, so I know for a fact they exist and do attain positive results. Such programs would not be ncessary or even be in place if mindkontrol programs were not being used by enemies to produce midcontrolled pawns and/or terror cells in order create political instability. These things are a fact of life and effective and productive counter-measures are used frequently and to obtain good results. There are many positive stories which must by necessity remain untold. The public only hears about the failures and not about the many successes which save lives and turn folks around who were going down the wrong path, orienting them into a new and positive direction.
One more thing, almost every western nation has deep cover well trained assets which attempt to interact with (in normal everyday life) any individuals who could become a threat to society and if they are sensed to be a potential threat or appear to have been mindcontrolled (ie sleepers), these assets work at establishing positive relationships and attempt to deprogram them and orient them in a positive and useful direction. These functions are most effective the more positive and supportive they are. I know one such individual very well who has been engaged in these functions on behalf of his country, so I know for a fact they exist and do attain positive results. Such programs would not be ncessary or even be in place if mindkontrol programs were not being used by enemies to produce midcontrolled pawns and/or terror cells in order create political instability. These things are a fact of life and effective and productive counter-measures are used frequently and to obtain good results. There are many positive stories which must by necessity remain untold. The public only hears about the failures and not about the many successes which save lives and turn folks around who were going down the wrong path, orienting them into a new and positive direction.

by Slamdunc on 30 July 2011 - 18:07
Mystere, Well said
by Preston on 31 July 2011 - 05:07

by sueincc on 31 July 2011 - 16:07
The cowardly son of a bitch assassin dressed as a police officer so the poor children would go to him for safe keeping. Hope he rots for the rest of his miserable life in a special kind of hell hole. At the very least I hope he never sees freedom again because this is the kind of selfish fanatic that would do it all over again.

by steve1 on 31 July 2011 - 16:07
Sue
there laws are he can only serve 21 years in prison then out, However i would make every single one of those days he spends in jail a painful one and it would be such he would suffer for a fair few years thats the way it would be with me in charge, in other words NO MERCY
Steve1
there laws are he can only serve 21 years in prison then out, However i would make every single one of those days he spends in jail a painful one and it would be such he would suffer for a fair few years thats the way it would be with me in charge, in other words NO MERCY
Steve1
by Preston on 01 August 2011 - 04:08
For those who doubt that govt plans and runs "false flag/stand-down attacks like 911, or who believe that these Oslo mass murders were the work of a "lone nut assassin" and not another false flag/stand-down attack, consider this evidence.
Top Turkish generals have now been caught planning and setting u[p a major false flag/stand-down attack and there is plenty of verifiable evidence from good sources for anyone who wants to do research on this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14346325
If the above incident and related evidence and the public statements of Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D. (top US Spymaster) and Major General Albert Stubbelbine are not enough proof, then consider the extensive body of evidence related to the well documented "Operation Gladio" which like "Operation Northwoods" was actually taken operation over an extended period of time, later found out, exposed publicly and some of the perps prosecuted in Italy (this was exposed as "state sponsored terrroism" and many experts believe that thetre is enough objective evidfnece to prosecute US Govt officials, military and pricvate contractors for institution the 9-11-01 attacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB6nViwJcM
Top Turkish generals have now been caught planning and setting u[p a major false flag/stand-down attack and there is plenty of verifiable evidence from good sources for anyone who wants to do research on this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14346325
If the above incident and related evidence and the public statements of Steve Pieczenik, MD, Ph.D. (top US Spymaster) and Major General Albert Stubbelbine are not enough proof, then consider the extensive body of evidence related to the well documented "Operation Gladio" which like "Operation Northwoods" was actually taken operation over an extended period of time, later found out, exposed publicly and some of the perps prosecuted in Italy (this was exposed as "state sponsored terrroism" and many experts believe that thetre is enough objective evidfnece to prosecute US Govt officials, military and pricvate contractors for institution the 9-11-01 attacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB6nViwJcM

by 4pack on 01 August 2011 - 05:08
Really, this thread has come to this...
How many threads do we need on this crap? Preston what happened to you while you were away?

How many threads do we need on this crap? Preston what happened to you while you were away?

by Slamdunc on 01 August 2011 - 19:08
4Pack,
Nothing happened to him, he has always been like this. The OT section has just brought him out of his shell even more and given him a soap box to stand on. Do you forget his friendship with uglydog? I think he is just older, more lonely and has no other place to spend his time. Now, you just get to see the real Preston. His goal it appears it to dominate the OT forum with his "creping tyranny." I think it is fantastic.
Nothing happened to him, he has always been like this. The OT section has just brought him out of his shell even more and given him a soap box to stand on. Do you forget his friendship with uglydog? I think he is just older, more lonely and has no other place to spend his time. Now, you just get to see the real Preston. His goal it appears it to dominate the OT forum with his "creping tyranny." I think it is fantastic.
by Preston on 02 August 2011 - 01:08
Slamdunc, I don't know why you insist on taking this personal. So be it. Better if someone disagrees to say so and let it go at that, rather than engage in personal attacks, which really tell more about you and your state of mind personally than you might expect. By the way, just so you know I am not friends with Uglydog and do not know him personally at all or anything about him, where he is from, etc. I do know that you are remarkably naive and ignorant about spycraft, tradecraft, covert operations and how the real world really works and immediately resort to personal attacks when someone expresses any ideas that don't fit into your narrow range of knowledge. Yes, as I said before, you are a control freak with an authority hangup and appear immature in your personal attacks toward me. You have chosen to escalate things here by personal attacks and I counter them with more articles & docs you can't handle emotionally. If the personal attacks stop, I likely won't be posting much here.
And 4pack, here is how I have changed the last few years. I used to be much less open about matters which I was involved in. Now that I see our nation falling apart economically, trashed by politicians who have been bought and sold by offshore based corporations and int'l merchant banks, I feel obliged inform folks what is going on that I do know about. If things had not gotten so bad I would not have spoken out more about these things. Like it or not our great nation is in very dire straits economically and politically right now and may not last much longer unless things improve greatly. I have referenced real govt docs that have been declassified that anyone can access if they have the courage to learn the truth.
As I said I was ask to come back to the forum and I had stated that it was useless because imo there would be continuing systemic abuse. I was then challenged to do so and I agreed. The abuse quickly emerged as personal attacks by various control freaks such as slamdunc. I have met the abuse with presentation of difficult facts and docs that these notably ignorant control freaks and folks with authority hangups cannot handle. And if several folks PM me and ask me to stop posting about certain subjects or stop posting altogether it is likely I will do so (as I stated before, but so far no takers).
4pack, do you think the major mass media is really going to tell the truth about the Olso mass murders? Govt's do not reveal covert operations unless forced to as with the recent disclosures in Turkey that are now very well documented. Research that one for yourself before you close your mind off.
And 4pack, here is how I have changed the last few years. I used to be much less open about matters which I was involved in. Now that I see our nation falling apart economically, trashed by politicians who have been bought and sold by offshore based corporations and int'l merchant banks, I feel obliged inform folks what is going on that I do know about. If things had not gotten so bad I would not have spoken out more about these things. Like it or not our great nation is in very dire straits economically and politically right now and may not last much longer unless things improve greatly. I have referenced real govt docs that have been declassified that anyone can access if they have the courage to learn the truth.
As I said I was ask to come back to the forum and I had stated that it was useless because imo there would be continuing systemic abuse. I was then challenged to do so and I agreed. The abuse quickly emerged as personal attacks by various control freaks such as slamdunc. I have met the abuse with presentation of difficult facts and docs that these notably ignorant control freaks and folks with authority hangups cannot handle. And if several folks PM me and ask me to stop posting about certain subjects or stop posting altogether it is likely I will do so (as I stated before, but so far no takers).
4pack, do you think the major mass media is really going to tell the truth about the Olso mass murders? Govt's do not reveal covert operations unless forced to as with the recent disclosures in Turkey that are now very well documented. Research that one for yourself before you close your mind off.
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