I thought it was a calculated contrast that the ad used an "old fashioned" blacksmith who forges the timeless values that the modern, worried woman (no botox there!) is voting on. I think if one starts to go on about separation of Church and State, they should read this and maybe they will see that it is not the Church changing up the status quo...



 

Obamacare and its quietly anti-Catholic provisions

• By Catholic Online (NEWS CONSORTIUM)
• 7/1/2012
• Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

 

Hardly discussed, Obamacare should be considered anathema.

It became official yesterday. As the US Supreme Court upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, the Catholic church now faces its greatest, most fundamental threat in modern American history. And although many Catholics continue to support President Obama, it is probably because they do not understand the implications of the ruling and Obama's battle royale with the Catholic church. 

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=46822

OK I am going to make my thoughts short and sweet.

First of all if any of you guys are devout C atholics and you think I am stepping on your toes then I apologize because it's not that way at all.  Now to the meat of my thoughts. Doesn't anyone think it is a little strange that a church can dictate to their congregation about not using contraceptives and having all the kids in the world that you can? Regardless of what it may do to your body or if you can afford 10 kids? All they are mad about is that Obamacare makes them give their paid workers insurance that can be used for women things that they don't believe in. That's it in a nutshell. And the stuff the Catholic church dictates to the women about not using contraceptives comes from way way back when they were in charge of everything and the more people they added the better. Some third world countries which are primarily Catholic are having children in filthy conditions that the bottom line is they can't afford. Some places barely have food, some have no access to clean water but yet they should procreate because the Pope says so? I don't think so.

I am going to bend the rules a little here. We are all supposedly dog lovers. What if the same law applied to breeders? what if because of our choice of kennel club we have to breed our bitches every time they came into heat because someone said so? What if the poor dog was worn out at 6 yrs old but nope it's still alive so by golly it must be bred. And what if Joe Blow can't sell his puppies and he ends up with 50 dogs that he can not only sell, he can;t care for properly--he can't feed them, they have moth eaten coats from parasites and worms and half of them are emaciated........Noone can say anything to him--AC, humane society, even animal rights because the ABC Kennel Club says breed your dogs every time they come in heat. You guys would have a fit. Think about the contrast.

Myself I want noone telling me how many dogs I can or cannot breed. And I want no church or anyone else for that matter telling me what I can or cannot do with my body. Women have been put down for far too long and considered second class citizens and it is time for them to take a stand.................Noone should be dictated to about their own body. And if the Catholic church does not want their insurance to go for women to take care of their bodies then that tells me they have the problem--not Obama. Let's lay the blame where it rightfully should be..............

Since this came up I thought I would share this. What about Romania? Well the head honcho over there at the time, Ceausesescu, decided there weren't enough people in the country so he made a policy of no contraceptives, no abortions and he had sex police checking the women every 3 months to make sure they had not had an abortion and were following the law. well people had so many kids they couldn't care for them so they placed them in orphanages. They thought well this is a good thing, they will be taken care of. At one time there were over 100,000 children in these orphanages with the ratio of workers to children about 1 worker for every 25 children. And then after Mr C was ousted, the children are still in instituational orphanages wasting their lives away. I saw pics and it is horrible. All you have to do is Google Romanian orphanage institutions to find pics and know what I am saying is factual. Then the new government refused to allow any of these children to be adopted out. In one article I read a worker remembered a 2 yr old little girl who was a healthy normal baby. She went back 11 yrs later and wanted to check on her. Here the poor child is institutionalized, nerves shot, and still in diapers!!!!!
See where I am going with this? Not only is it not fair to the women but not to the children either. Yes maybe it's not right to tell a church you have to allow your insurance to go against your "rules" but in the same token it's not right to dictate to women how to use their bodies. What if there's a woman who has had 4 children. OK she gets pregnant again, goes in for a checkup and the dr tells her, Mary you are not in shape to have another child because you have whatever problem and my professional opinion is that if you try to have this child you are going to die. OK so what's the answer? I think a fairly normal person would have an abortion either get their tubes tied or have a hysterectomy and call it a day. But if a church or government dictates to you that you MUST deliver this child and you die afterwards then who should shoulder the blame? What about the child? Suppose when it is born it has all kinds of physical problems? Suppose it ends up in some rinky dink foster home where it is abused. molested and or misused because of it's disability. And who is paying for this anyway. Damn well not the church I can guarantee you that. And it is not fair all the way around, to the mother, the disabled child and the taxpayers who are going to support this child forever and ever. Just some food for thought.....................

Holy cow...not sure where ya'll got your education on Catholicism but somehow I missed these "truths" you speak of during my entire Catholic school career from elementary school through college. I must've been sick that day.

Yeah Jen you must have been..............

Mystere I bet speaking to that woman just made you sad and glad to be in America. I mean I was reading all that stuff and looking at all the cribs lined up and how sad the children looked. I mean that one boy had to be at least 10 and he was in one of those big metal cribs..............OMG it just broke mt heart.

Now as to the other--I know we are damn sure on the same page and what a great post. Oh yeah and I remember that crazy Rick Berg--I won't tell you exactly what I thought because it would open up a big can of worms but I know you get my gist that it wasn't good.  And I can guarantee you the politicians that are trying to get Roe vs Wade thrown out or reversed or however one refers to it aren't doing it out of love for their fellow man--they just want to be in charge.................Thank Goodness I am too old to have such worries.

Michelle sure made a nice talk tonight. In the beginning I thought I wasn't going to like her but when I saw the clip of her at Target shopping, I decided I liked her and maybe she was a real person after all.................