How do you tell right from wrong? - Page 2

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That one always gets me.... LOL

The bible was written by man.....religions are created by man....

The top 10 and secondary 7 give very good guidance as to what is right and wrong.

If I remember correctly, one should forgive people that do bad things, but also to remember, so these people cannot have the opportunity to do it again.



If everything comes from someting, and in the beginning there was only God, doesn't that make all of us a part of God?

Sitasmom.....

Genesis 1:26-27 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” ²⁷ God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

To your question though, doesn't that make us part of God.....The verses partially tell you your answer.  But with that said, in no way does that make us equal to Him. If we were all equal to Him there would be no right and wrong, there would be no sin, no one would do wrong.  We would all be like "gods".  You stated the bible was written by man, and religions are created by man.  Yes in a way.  As a Christian I believe the scriptures to be the inspired word however.  Men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit.  Aside from that there is much evidence, and eye witness accounts to things that happened, like the life of Jesus, and all that happened afterwards.  There are many prophecies written way beforehand in the Old Testament, and they've come true as seen later on in the NT. Religions are created by man you stated.....That if a person doesn't know and worship the true God of the bible, he makes his own.  They make them with their own hands.  How is that a real god? Something "I" made?  It does nothing, and many, MANY of religions have done that. Read 1 Kings 18 and Jeremiah 10, and also Acts 17 :15 through the rest of the chapter. I would use the King James version on Acts 17 for the sake that it translates it correctly to "The Unknown God"....and not "an" as some of the other versions now have. 

I mentioned of the scriptures being inspired, just as the scriptures also speak of prophecies, miracles, possessions, other things alike.  Things that don't occur anymore for what is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 13:1-10 Specifically in verses 8-10 though ( in context, it means the "perfect" (complete) revelation, after which the confirming signs and miracles are no longer necessary. It can't mean heaven or the 2nd coming of Christm, as some argue, faith and hope will not "abide" then -- that which is seen is not hope (Romans 8:24) and faith is the substance of things not seen (Hb 11:1).

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. ² If I have the gift ofprophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. ³ And if Igive all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing. ⁴ Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, ⁵ does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, ⁶  does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; ⁷ bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

⁸ Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. ⁹ For we know in part and we prophesy in part; ¹⁰ but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

Sitasmom wrote: If everything comes from someting, and in the beginning there was only God, doesn't that make all of us a part of God?


The answer to your question is NO.

I will repost this again from last discussion.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)
 
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John Chapter 8:44)
 
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)
 
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat.
In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
 
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)
 
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
 
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)
 
All sons but not all people.

Shtal,
you crush nothing, not now, not ever.

Knowing right from wrong is easy, it's the doing that's hard.

You choose the easier path and take no responsibility, this is a serious, a very dangerous flaw, that all like yourself share.

You live in fear of life and death, you cheat yourself out of what life is all about.

You deny your own humanity, you actually believe you are right and all others are wrong.

You believe you are above others when you are actually somewhere in the middle, less than some, more than a few.

All things considered, a fool.

I break my own rules just by responding to you.

Moons.

I just got this email, I hope you don't mind me sharing it here Shtal, it kind of relates to where this topic is heading.  Be sure to read to the end. :)

"Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'
'Yes sir,' the student says.
'So you believe in God?'
'Absolutely '
'Is God good?'
'Sure! God's good.'
'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
'Yes'
'Are you good or evil?'
'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'
'So you're good...!'
'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good?
Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.
'Is Satan good?'
The student doesn't hesitate on this one..'No.'
'Then where does Satan come from?'
The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'
'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'
'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer.

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them ?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your
Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
'Yet you still believe in him?'
'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

' Yes.
'And is there such a thing as cold?'
'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or
transmit energy.. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something
finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a
scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the
professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it Everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the
absence of God.. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness
that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.


PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote the book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921.....



    
   
  

You live in fear of life and death, you cheat yourself out of what life is all about.
Do you really believe Christians live in fear of life and death?  Yes there is fear in a sense of things, but we don't sit around in fear all the time hoping we don't die, or constantly fearing oh man I did this wrong, I'm going to hell.....Not at all.... As Christians we know there are consequences for continuing to live a certain lifestyle (that goes against what the scriptures have said), but we're not living in fear daily in that sense, making us do what we believe to be right. Children don't live in fear in that sense just as children who are disciplined by their parents aren't constantly living in fear. They're not scared of their parents. They do realize certain actions have consequences however, but they learn to respect their parents, and to do what's right. 

You deny your own humanity, you actually believe you are right and all others are wrong.
Do you not believe you are right and all others are wrong? I'd vouch to say shtal probably believes what the scriptures say is right.  But devoting one's life to Christ means following what the scriptures say.  Do you take on an occupation, or something similar and not follow any of it's rules?  

You believe you are above others when you are actually somewhere in the middle, less than some, more than a few
I didn't read what shtal said, but that seems to be the common view among those on this forum and in the world who are not Christians.  It's interesting as well because the Christians I know and have met around the country are very loving and caring individuals who have others best interest at heart.   None of the Christians I personally know, nor myself believe we're above anyone. At least they shouldn't anyway.  Why do you believe what you stated?

Philippians 2:1-4 Therefore if there is any encouragement in Christ, if there is any consolation of love, if there is any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2  make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose. 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4  do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.

friggin' dial up


    
   
  

Red Sable lol, I don't think it's dial up. Did you get the error 404 messages? It actually puts the message through but it does that. I have comcast internet and it did that to me. I right clicked on another link on the page and went to see if my message went through or not before I went back and tried to put it through again.