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by darylehret on 09 July 2012 - 05:07
I'd take the stubborn dog if I really had to choose, and I'd MORE respect the trainers that don't elevate the trash to "breeding status", just because they're able.
by Prager on 09 July 2012 - 16:07
Trainability:
Ability to respond to proper stimulus, reward, timing and other training techniques of an able trainer. This ability is derived from learned and inherited characteristic of socialization, intelligence, drives, investigativeness, packing instinct, and so on.
Opposite is a dull, lethargic dog.
Ability to respond to proper stimulus, reward, timing and other training techniques of an able trainer. This ability is derived from learned and inherited characteristic of socialization, intelligence, drives, investigativeness, packing instinct, and so on.
Opposite is a dull, lethargic dog.
by Bob McKown on 09 July 2012 - 19:07
The bond you have greatly effects the trainability of the dog in my opinion. A dog that is bonded to it,s trainer,handler,owner will normally be more responsive and work harder to please then one who has no connection to you IMHO.
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 00:07
Ok Daryl I respect your position but perhaps you should change breeds, sounds like you would prefer the Rott or Bouv that is bred to give you that extra stubborn flair you seem to like :) Hans and Bob you hit the nail right on the head! And Bob your work with Feist is EXACTLY how a GSD should work together with her owner. And there ain't nothing wimpy bout that lady!!!
by darylehret on 10 July 2012 - 01:07
I think you totally misunderstand me. I don't like stubborn dogs at all, and easy compliance is one of my highest selection priorities. I have stressed this for years. But at the same time, I despise weakness. So, if having to choose between stubborn and "simpering, peeing, bolting dog" as you say, I'd (grudgingly) rather deal with stubborn.
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 02:07
Yes, I totally misunderstood you. I thought you LIKED stubborness in the GSD. My point was that a great trainer is one who can deal with the simpering bolting dog. NOT that is should be bred. Didnt realize we were discussing breeding. Thought we were talking about what trainability was.
From the GSD standard:
The German Shepherd Dog must be, in its essential image, well-balanced, firm in nerves, self-confident, absolutely calm and impartial, and (except in tempting situations) amiable. He must possess courage, willingness to fight, and hardness, in order to be suitable as companion, watchdog, protector, service dog, and guardian.
by darylehret on 10 July 2012 - 04:07
I look at everything from a breeding standpoint, I can't help it. It may seem trainability is a seperate concept, but it's an aspect of breeding to me.
by Bob McKown on 10 July 2012 - 18:07
Darly:
I agree with you Trainability is a breeding issue to be considered. A dogs pack drive and willingness to be subordnate to the pack leader is a inherated trait IMHO. A good trainer can take a dog and find it,s motavation and use it to there advantage. Every dog has a reason to work the handler just has to have the talent to find it and exploit it to the positive.
Kinda like what I will do when you ship me one of those fired up females!!! :)
by duke1965 on 10 July 2012 - 19:07
I just had a 3 day training seminair with team jogy and julian clement in A, B and C, jogy used me as example/dog, so I know now what trainability is
by brynjulf on 10 July 2012 - 23:07
You two are correct trainability is a breeding issue. But for some of us training is a training issue. I could never be a dog breeder WAYYYY to much work and responsibility!
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