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by joanro on 14 September 2016 - 17:09


by Noitsyou on 14 September 2016 - 20:09

Joan, "open" borders has zero to do with communism. It's about keeping a steady flow of cheap labor. TPP? You do know it's the left, you know, the ones you call commies who oppose it.

There are no more communists. Well, maybe in Cuba or North Korea, but in the West communism is a dead idea. Even China has tycoons and captains of industry. Communism in the West died once it became a movement of the bourgeoisie.

In the interests of kindness I have to say that if you are actually sitting alone all day watching propaganda videos on Youtube that you might want to seriously examine what your life is. Youtube is not the only window to the world.

by joanro on 14 September 2016 - 20:09

You are absolutely wrong on all counts of your post. As for me watching 'propaganda videos all day long', you're too dim witted to deserve a response.

And if you believe there are no communists left in the world, you are living in a bubble and have had any ability to understand the real world stamped out of your brain....and you are incapable of any kindness...you're just a worker for your masters.

Below is a 2005 article, that the author did not foresee the gates of Africa open after Gadafi regime was destroyed by hilery. And they didnt know that the 'world without borders' would be resurected with free flow of millions of migrant populations from so many third world countries. Soros and his minions are ecstatic. 

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1601/article_1348.shtml

Communism failed because it was in essence tyrannical tyrannical because it stood the whole structure of human society on its head. Under communism, the people were subservient to the state, rather than the other way around. The state commanded and the people obeyed, and if they didn't they were likely to find themselves in the gulag, or worse. Under the seventy-year failed experiment known as communism there were no "people," only workers and servants of the state. And, though it never came to full fruition, communism promised ultimately a world without borders and without other distinctions.

At the dawn of the new century, there is a new utopianism that is raging across the planet, and within certain intellectual circles in this country including some with close ties to the current White House. Globalism is the latest ideology that promises to be the cure for humanity's every ill. A basic tenet of globalism is that for every problem there is a market-based solution, if only it were free to operate without constraints.

As in the failed communist experiment, there are no people in the utopian world envisioned by the globalist Bolsheviks, only workers and consumers who serve the almighty economy. Like the world promised by Marx and Lenin, the utopia promised by radical globalists will have no borders or other distinctions


by Noitsyou on 15 September 2016 - 01:09

@Joan, you talk about dimwitted then post something that I doubt you even read. I mean, I hope you didn't read it because it would mean you have some sort of mental disability. Here is what you posted in response to me stating that globalization was capitalist driven, not communist driven:

"At the dawn of the new century, there is a new utopianism that is raging across the planet, and within certain intellectual circles in this country including some with close ties to the current White House. Globalism is the latest ideology that promises to be the cure for humanity's every ill. A basic tenet of globalism is that for every problem there is a market-based solution, if only it were free to operate without constraints.

As in the failed communist experiment, there are no people in the utopian world envisioned by the globalist Bolsheviks, only workers and consumers who serve the almighty economy. Like the world promised by Marx and Lenin, the utopia promised by radical globalists will have no borders or other distinctions."

If you agree with what you posted then you agree with me because what you posted, what I quoted above, is not communism but capitalism. It even says as much. Do you even know what free market means? Under communism the government strictly controls the economy, it doesn't allow it to "operate without constraints."

And I never said there were no more communists left. What I said is that communism is dead in the West because it was driven by the bourgeoisie. If you had any understanding of recent political history in Europe you would know what I'm talking about.

Prager

by Prager on 15 September 2016 - 02:09

Hundmutter you are living in false illusion that there is such thing as socialism which is somehow good. The difference between people like you and me is that I have seen on my own eyes where such slippery slope of "goodness" socialism can do leads to. It always eventually leads to tyranny and oppression and death and social and economical decay . Where I do not think you have such experience. . I have not seen where socialism would lead to more liberty and freedom and because it never happened. In socialism by principle and their own definition liberty is restrained. Now people who do like socialism obviously do not care about liberty. I and others who do not like socialism of course do - at least by definition.
As far as Marx go Marx and Lenin by definition advocated violence. Socialism by definition is dictatorship of stronger majority over minority only achievable by violence. According to their teachings socialism and subsequent communism are only achievable in violent way which they call Revolution. The reason for that is "redistribution of wealth" or as Obama calls it "spreading he wealth around" that no private owner of means of production, transportation, services and private property is not likely to give it up without fight. Leaders of such violent approach by necessity always are monsters. The level of monstrosity depends only on the power these so called leaders are wielding. More power - more monstrosity.

Prager

by Prager on 15 September 2016 - 02:09

Joan, GSD admin can not point anything or refute anything with facts. He can only throw around insults and pejoratives.

Prager

by Prager on 15 September 2016 - 02:09

Noitsyou: Joan, "open" borders has zero to do with communism. It's about keeping a steady flow of cheap labor. TPP? You do know it's the left, you know, the ones you call commies who oppose it.

 

Hans: yet  again Carlo is out of his depth. Socialist countries have had their own globalization called RVHP ( in Czech: Rada vzájemné hospodářské pomoci = Council for Mutual Economic Assistance) Which translated would be Soviet-era COMECON international trading system   among socialist countries. Decades later EU operates basically on the same socialist principle designed by Marx.  


Prager

by Prager on 15 September 2016 - 02:09

Noitsyou: Under communism the government strictly controls the economy, it doesn't allow it to "operate without constraints." No Under socialism government controls means of production and so on and under communism government owes it. Get it straight.
And that is what we see in today USA and EU. Control of economy by putting restrains on it.

by joanro on 15 September 2016 - 03:09

Evidently hilery flopped with her new book. Here are some comments by some readers....

 

The word "fascism" was coined in 1919 and was derived from the Italian word fasces, meaning “sticks.” In fascist Italy, “national and social unity was symbolized by the fasces themselves, the bound sticks being stronger together than individually.” The Mercury Dime was accused of fascism for containing the bound sticks and was replaced by the U.S. Mint during the height of World War II. As a Wellesley political science major, Hillary Clinton must have known this association when she chose the same book title as Benito Mussolini, “Stronger Together.” No thanks.

https://www.amazon.com/Stronger-Together-Hillary-Rodham-Clinton-ebook/product-reviews/B01JMECLZQ/ref=cm_cr_getr_mb_paging_btm_3?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=helpful&pageNumber=3


GSD Admin (admin)

by GSD Admin on 15 September 2016 - 05:09

Prager when facts are shown you dismiss them because you know it all. We have proven over and over the facts. Illegal immigrants are being deported at record numbers, way more than Bush. The health care law has actually worked to a degree and more people have actually gone from part time to full time than the conspiracy wingnuts whined about. We should put restrictions on businesses. Maybe you should do some research on how great our businesses have treated us over the years. How they have poisoned 100s of thousands and killed untold numbers. DDT sound familiar? Might also want to do some reading on the sit down strikes. If businesses had been good citizens instead of worshiping the almighty dollar, maybe we could trust them to have their workers and societies best interests in mind. See you post mostly opinions from Breifart and pretend it is real. When it in fact is so far slanted to be ludicrous, but yet you believe it. You actually have nothing but Trump a proven racist who is so self centered to the point of being a maniac, you worry about communism but you don't worry about what Trump will do with his egomaniac personality that borders on a personality disorder. You worry or have fears about some of these past dictators but you don't worry when one is right and center in front of you. Racism as you have said should never be allowed, encouraged or applauded but you talk out one side of your mouth while ripping a gas filled fart. You are a hypocrite with your equality crap. I have heard what you call black people and the way you treat those blacks who stand up to you. I know this because I had very deep conversations with people you treated like that. Prager you are a hypocrite and that is not a put down but is fact.





 


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