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by keepthefaith on 10 February 2013 - 20:02
Bee, you are indulging in conspiracy theories as to motivations. One thing I have noticed about your responses is that you evade the questions posed to you and deflect the discussion. It does not allow for a genuine exchange of views but it does allow for a very quick dismissive response.
I lived in LA and have a pretty good sense of how people there feel about the LAPD and friends who still live there ..... so if you want to attribute their reaction to fostering a "justifiable rebellion" you are missing the point. Oh, and I am not seeking to defend the indefensible and I think I made that point very clear. But there are many (especially minorities) in LA who believe the LAPD is corrupt to the core .......... and therein lies the reaction of many people who are sympathetic to Dohner.
Enuf said!
I lived in LA and have a pretty good sense of how people there feel about the LAPD and friends who still live there ..... so if you want to attribute their reaction to fostering a "justifiable rebellion" you are missing the point. Oh, and I am not seeking to defend the indefensible and I think I made that point very clear. But there are many (especially minorities) in LA who believe the LAPD is corrupt to the core .......... and therein lies the reaction of many people who are sympathetic to Dohner.
Enuf said!
by Red Sable on 10 February 2013 - 20:02
Here in Canada, many are sympathetic toward him too, just from what the News reports say.
Shooting up two poor innocent women doesn't make the police department look that great either.
Shooting up two poor innocent women doesn't make the police department look that great either.
by beetree on 10 February 2013 - 20:02
What did I evade? I just don't agree with your take that because this guy is so upset, he must have a valid grievence and therefore his response is deserving of our ... what? Mercy? Acceptance? What is it that you find so acceptable in the actions of Dohner? That Rodney King happened and even after all that, there are still problems? That makes murder alright? Dohner is not noble. He's a hothead troublemaker, and has been from the start.
If your LAPD and govt is corrupt and unresponsive... my point is, applauding the way to fixing it by supporting the actions from a rambling, manifesto-writing, self-proscribed Rambo type is not the way to go. Corruption in cities and countries for that matter will always be an ongoing, neverending wheel of greatness and corruption that makes it always necessary for self correction. That is why "vigilence" is our civic duty, is it not?
And to further illustrate my take on the situation, I get the feeling BE4U would love to have this guy as a houseguest and give him a nice care package to take with him, should he happen to knock on her door. Get what I am saying?
And yes, it is these conspiracy types, along with the overthrow the current gov't, revolutionary types like BE4U and Moons, who love to goad on what normal people, find appalling. I certainly will stand by those words. It is the utter truth.
If your LAPD and govt is corrupt and unresponsive... my point is, applauding the way to fixing it by supporting the actions from a rambling, manifesto-writing, self-proscribed Rambo type is not the way to go. Corruption in cities and countries for that matter will always be an ongoing, neverending wheel of greatness and corruption that makes it always necessary for self correction. That is why "vigilence" is our civic duty, is it not?
And to further illustrate my take on the situation, I get the feeling BE4U would love to have this guy as a houseguest and give him a nice care package to take with him, should he happen to knock on her door. Get what I am saying?
And yes, it is these conspiracy types, along with the overthrow the current gov't, revolutionary types like BE4U and Moons, who love to goad on what normal people, find appalling. I certainly will stand by those words. It is the utter truth.
by beetree on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
RedSable,
If he makes it to Canada, you can keep him. And I hope he stays there.
If he makes it to Canada, you can keep him. And I hope he stays there.
by BabyEagle4U on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
BeeTree don't tell me or this forum who I invite into my house. You have lost your mind.
This Dorner is a sick wackjob. According to his manifesto you and him have a hell of alot in common to say the least. 1 is you both target other people. Typical psychopath.
Get some help.
This Dorner is a sick wackjob. According to his manifesto you and him have a hell of alot in common to say the least. 1 is you both target other people. Typical psychopath.
Get some help.
by keepthefaith on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
All those who applaud or sympathize with Dohner are not seeking to promote insurrection. Most are people who are disgusted with the LAPD.
We disagree on whether Dohner has a legitimate grievance - you think he may not have and I think he does and the reality is that neither of us knows for sure. I base my belief in the past history of this individual and what I know about the LAPD as an institution.
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The LAPD chief knows the past history of the department:
"I am aware of the ghosts of the LAPD's past and one of my biggest concerns is that they will be resurrected by Dorner's allegations of racism within the department," Beck said in a prepared statement. "...Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner's allegations regarding his termination of employment."
He assumes things have fundamentally changed but he is delusional or being disingenuous.
It is all very well saying that there is corruption everywhere - true, but there is more in some places more than others. More to the point, it is all academic until it affects one us personally. The Sandy Hook parents probably viewed gun control as academic when it affected Columbine but have a very different view now that it has affected them. Human nature ..... and not a knock on those parents.
It affected Dohner personally ............ and many who live in LA are aware of what goes on. It does not justify what Dohner is doing but that is why there are those who are sympathetic to him. Nothing to do with the overthrow of the government or insurrection. And if you think that is what all this is about, you are delusional.
The difference in our respective attitudes is apparent when one looks at the shooting of the two women. You think it was a mistake and they will be compensated for what happened. I think there is something fundamentally wrong when two innocent women are shot without any apparent warning and despite the lack of any aggressive action by them, their car is riddled with bullets ........... and the chief of police attributes it to stress that his men are undergoing because of Dohner. IMO, those officers who did the shooting should be fired.
We disagree on whether Dohner has a legitimate grievance - you think he may not have and I think he does and the reality is that neither of us knows for sure. I base my belief in the past history of this individual and what I know about the LAPD as an institution.
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The LAPD chief knows the past history of the department:
"I am aware of the ghosts of the LAPD's past and one of my biggest concerns is that they will be resurrected by Dorner's allegations of racism within the department," Beck said in a prepared statement. "...Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner's allegations regarding his termination of employment."
He assumes things have fundamentally changed but he is delusional or being disingenuous.
It is all very well saying that there is corruption everywhere - true, but there is more in some places more than others. More to the point, it is all academic until it affects one us personally. The Sandy Hook parents probably viewed gun control as academic when it affected Columbine but have a very different view now that it has affected them. Human nature ..... and not a knock on those parents.
It affected Dohner personally ............ and many who live in LA are aware of what goes on. It does not justify what Dohner is doing but that is why there are those who are sympathetic to him. Nothing to do with the overthrow of the government or insurrection. And if you think that is what all this is about, you are delusional.
The difference in our respective attitudes is apparent when one looks at the shooting of the two women. You think it was a mistake and they will be compensated for what happened. I think there is something fundamentally wrong when two innocent women are shot without any apparent warning and despite the lack of any aggressive action by them, their car is riddled with bullets ........... and the chief of police attributes it to stress that his men are undergoing because of Dohner. IMO, those officers who did the shooting should be fired.
by beetree on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
BE, I didn't invite him over to your house. Silly. Now what is your point then? You are loving this cop killer. You sicken me.
by BabyEagle4U on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
Fired ? That could have very well have been an execution of 2 newspaper delivery ladies.
The only thing that saved those two ladies was the friggin' tailgait !!!
The only thing that saved those two ladies was the friggin' tailgait !!!
by keepthefaith on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
"Executed" is a shade strong! But if they had died I am sure their next of kin would have viewed it that way.
Am waiting for Moons to get in on the act since Bee brought up his name!
I'll leave you guys to it while I enjoy some Earl Grey! :)
Am waiting for Moons to get in on the act since Bee brought up his name!
I'll leave you guys to it while I enjoy some Earl Grey! :)
by BabyEagle4U on 10 February 2013 - 21:02
WHAT !!! You lost your mind !!!
BeeTree .. Dorners allegiance to federal power and attempt to rectify order within a group of people has many qualities of proto fascism. Exactly what YOU are doing.
Get some help.
BeeTree .. Dorners allegiance to federal power and attempt to rectify order within a group of people has many qualities of proto fascism. Exactly what YOU are doing.
Get some help.
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