3 stories, sounds like Sandy Hook.

What difference does it make now?



Care to ask Jenni78, Hans or this admin?
I haven't kept up with these various drama's so I don't have a clue what your talking about there.

Night GSD.

The difference is when someone walks around calling me a liar but tells 3 different stories well I am sure you can figure out the hypocritical aspect of the whole thing.  But hey lets overlook it because it is an officer. Gag.

Later Moons at least you have the balls to deal with people and things head on. I respect that in a person.

Continue to mock me, asshat; it'll be fun for you...until it isn't any more.


 

Do any of you people even own a dog, work a dog, have anything to do with dogs, or do you just live to come on here and be a bunch of DRAMA QUEENS.

Why the hell should Jim have to explain anything at all to any of you when it comes to anything to do with police work, a case, a past case, anything at all.

Are any of you a LEO, have you been a LEO in the past? Do any of you put your lives on the line everyday of the week knowing that when you step out the door you may not be coming home to your family. Do you know the crap that LEO has to go through in order to get the "bad guy" and after they get them is it going to stick or will they be let go because of some bullshit technicality. LEO has to bend the rules sometimes in order to get the "bad guy", deals have to be made, trade offs happen in order to get the more serious felons off the street, and sometimes shit happens, it may not be nice but it happens. You all would be the first crying if every felon was let go or not arrested, thats why deals have to be made and rules are bent, it's a neccessity in order to make the arrests.

So why don't you either become a LEO yourselves and show us how its done, or get off your DRAMA QUEEN posts and go do something with your dogs.

Keith....if you'd invest as much time training your dogs as you do with your drama queen posts, maybe, just maybe you might get that elusive First title that you haven't obtained yet in I believe you said the 25 years you've been in dogs...just sayin...and you know what, don't come back with your stupid comment that you always make about Who are you, state your name and location, quit hiding behind your computer...blah, blah, blah.

Or we could just sit back and let Jim tell lies about the admins, Oli and this site.

I put my life on the line everyday to make the vehicle you drive. Farming is also a very dangerous occupation so what if an officers job is dangerous, they choose that job and could have picked another career, most jobs are dangerous in some degree or another.

There are rules and laws to protect us from bad cops, who use felons as snitches and who allow these snitches to break the law to get a person who wasn't even dealing. I guess you never heard of these things. Oh well. Maybe where you live you don't have these protections. Also, there were no technicalities except for lying cops who bungled the search of a person who had nothing when they could have easily just served the warrant in the daytime. They set the guy up and knew that he just had a breaking and entering how come they didn't go after the person who did the breaking and entering??? Even this guys neighbors said there was no dealing going on in this house. But hey the cops said it was so so it must be true, lmao.

My whole thing with this is why 3 different stories told on this forum and if there are 3 stories here, what is the truth in a court of law?

You all want to overlook all of this then I sure hope I don't see you all out there slapping breeders and trainers around for a story that doesn't add up to you or members you just don't like. Sad.

Strange how there are double standards at work here. Oh well nothing I should be shocked about, I guess. Sigh.



"Why the hell should Jim have to explain anything at all to any of you when it comes to anything to do with police work, a case, a past case, anything at all."

Probably because he came on here and told a story that was told with 3 different set of facts and just didn't add up so someone did some research. In your reasoning why should a bad breeder explain anything to the people calling for his head? Just wow. Double standards are everywhere.

http://november.org/stayinfo/breaking08/FatalMJRaid.html

Did Police Misconduct Lead To Another Fatal Marijuana Raid? Cops Employing Robbers By Radley Balko, Reason

Original article: www.reason.com/news/show/128723.html

Ryan Frederick, the 29-year-old Chesapeake, Virginia man facing capital murder charges after shooting and killing a police officer during a nighttime drug raid on his home, was back in court for a preliminary hearing earlier this month. What came out at the hearing may be the beginning of the unraveling of the state's case against him.

Frederick has said he was asleep in preparation for an early shift when police raided his home at 8:30 p.m. on January 24. According to search warrant affidavits, officers were acting on a tip from an informant that Frederick was running a major marijuana growing operation in his garage. The raid turned up only a misdemeanor amount of the drug -- about a third of an ounce.

Frederick has said in interviews and in letters to his family that he was awoken by his dogs barking at the intruders, then heard the sound of someone breaking down his front door. He says he grabbed his handgun and ran to his living room, where he saw that the bottom panel of his door and been busted out and saw someone reaching up through the broken panel toward the door handle.

Frederick says that's when he fired, striking and killing Det. Jarrod Shivers. Police and prosecutors counter that Frederick fired through the door, hitting Det. Shivers as he was standing on Frederick's front lawn. Police say they announced themselves before attempting to enter Frederick's home. Frederick and at least two neighbors say they heard no announcement.

Frederick's case is only one recent example of the inherent danger and disproportionate absurdity of using violent, forced-entry police tactics to serve nonviolent drug warrants. This raid on a man with no prior criminal record left a police officer dead, his wife widowed, and his children without a father, while effectively ruining Ryan Frederick's life. He's facing one count of capital murder for the shooting of Shivers, a felony drug distribution charge, and a charge of using a weapon during the commission of a drug crime.

Now, disturbing new questions have emerged about the quality of the police investigation and the way the Chesapeake Police Department's narcotics officers may have been using confidential informants in their drug investigations. The latter would be nothing new. The ACLU is currently in the midst of a national campaign aimed at drawing attention to the misuse of informants, including in high-profile cases in Cleveland, Dallas, and just across the U.S.-Mexican border near El Paso.

Last May, a local TV news station identified the police informant in Ryan Frederick's case as "Steven," a 20-year-old man who was dating the sister of Frederick's fiance. The report noted that Steven had been arrested for stealing credit cards nine days prior to the raid on Frederick's house and may have broken into Frederick's garage three days prior to the raid to collect evidence against him.

According to Frederick's family, the two had been feuding after Frederick accused Steven of stealing from him. The search warrant in the case notes that the informant had been inside Frederick's home three days prior to the raid, where he saw evidence of the marijuana-growing operation. In an interview with a local TV station shortly after his arrest, Frederick said someone had broken into his garage at about the same time.

In June, I spoke with a second man who confirmed to me that Steven had indeed broken into Frederick's home. He could confirm that, he said, because he assisted with the break-in. I gave him the moniker "Reggie" at the time, but can now identify him as Renaldo Turnbull, Jr. I had been made aware of Turnbull and his story by John Hopkins, a reporter with the Virginian-Pilot newspaper. Hopkins told me Turnbull called him to tell him about his involvement in the raid after the police arrested Turnbull on charges of burglary and fraud -- charges Turnbull says were undeserved. The Pilot decided not to publish Turnbull's accusations at the time.

When I spoke with Turnbull in June at the Chesapeake Jail, he confirmed that he and Steven had been working for the police as paid informants for several months and that Steven had cut a deal with the police after being arrested for credit card theft -- they'd drop the charges if he brought them evidence of a major marijuana operation. He confirmed that he and Steven then broke into Ryan Frederick's home and stole the alleged marijuana plants the police then used as probable cause to obtain the search warrant that led to the fatal raid. Turnbull was hesitant to confirm the more serious allegations he had made to Hopkins in February -- that the police were actually encouraging these illegal break-ins -- explaining that his lawyer had advised him to stop taking and that he feared the police would retaliate if he kept talking. "I don't want to get into any more trouble," he said.

Last week, the Virginian-Pilot finally reported on Turnbull's conversations with Hopkins from last February, explaining that Turnbull's allegations seem to be confirmed by new revelations from special prosecutor Paul Ebert at a pretrial hearing earlier this month. Referring to the break-in at Frederick's home, the Pilot reported:

Turnbull said he and an accomplice didn't worry about breaking into Frederick's garage because police assured them they would be protected.

"The dude said he was going to look out for us, so let's go do it," he said.

Turnbull said he met with Shivers once and talked with him on the phone on other occasions. During a meeting at a 7-Eleven store near the intersection of Battlefield Boulevard and Cedar Road in Chesapeake, Shivers introduced himself.

"He told me what to look for. He said, if you know of any burglaries or anything, let Steven know... He said no evidence, no pay... He said if you know where it is, go get it.

According to Virginia criminal defense attorney John Zwerling, if Turnbull's allegations are true, they would represent illegal conduct on the part of the Chesapeake Police Department and the late Det. Shivers. "If the police were sending informants to break into private residences to collect probable cause for drug warrants, it would be the same as if the police were breaking in themselves," Zwerling says. "The police would be participating in crimes, and the warrants would be invalid."

As they had done with me last June, the Chesapeake Police Department and the office of special prosecutor Paul Ebert declined to comment on the allegations to the Pilot.

In the pre-trial hearing earlier this month that inspired the Pilot to finally run with Turnbull's interview from last February, prosecutors actually admitted that much of their case rests on the word of what they describe as two "burglars" who had broken in to Frederick's home prior to the raid. According to the article:

Prosecutors said they have evidence that more than one person broke into Frederick's detached garage days before the deadly drug raid, taking about half of the marijuana growing inside.

Prosecutors haven't yet identified them, but it's difficult to see how the "burglars" who broke into Frederick's home could be anyone other than Steven and Turnbull.

Which means the police either encouraged the break-in into Frederick's home (as Turnbull has said), or they knew or should have known their probable cause had been obtained illegally. According to Zwerling, either scenario would invalidate the warrant the police had obtained to search Frederick's home, meaning the raid on Frederick's home itself was illegal. That would also lend support to Frederick's case should he decide to use a claim of self-defense.

More broadly, if true, all of this would also mean that narcotics officers at the Chesapeake Police Department were routinely sending informants to commit illegal burglaries in order to obtain evidence in drug cases -- the makings of a major scandal.

Of course, if Steven and Turnbull are indeed the "burglars" referenced by prosecutors, they're both now facing their own charges (the credit card charges against Steven were dropped, then reinstated after the raid -- which didn't turn up the marijuana the police said in the warrant that the informant told them they would find), which means they're both at the mercy of the state. At this point, neither is likely to to say anything damning about the Chesapeake Police Department. Jailhouse informants who are in the game of bargaining information for time off of their own sentences have little incentive to tell the truth. Indeed, Turnbull has since stopped speaking with reporters.

Ryan Frederick and the city of Chesapeake deserve to know the details of the the burglary to his garage three days prior to the police raid on his home -- and if the police encouraged or permitted the burglary.

The only sure way to get at the truth in this case is through an outside investigation, one that grants both Steven and Turnbull complete immunity from all prior charges so they can tell state or federal investigators what they know free from any pressure from local law enforcement.

It's also important to find out if such tactics were limited to this case or if, as Turnbull has said, they're common practice in Chesapeake.

The latter wouldn't be so unusual. When a botched raid in Atlanta killed 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston in November 2006, the ensuing federal investigation found that narcotics police in Atlanta routinely lied in drug warrant affidavits. The city's entire narcotics division was eventually fired or replaced. That case unraveled after a police informant came forward to contradict the narcotics officers' version of events.

Drug policing is driven by statistics -- the number of arrests made and the amount of contraband seized. Statistics-driven policing incentivizes shortcuts, encouraging even good police officers to bend the rules when it comes to the use of informants, or perhaps exaggerate or mislead in a warrant affidavit if it increases the odds of making the big bust. That corrupted information then provides the basis for these violent, forced entry raids into private homes. It isn't difficult to see how how they can -- and often do -- go wrong.

In this case, a man with no prior criminal record, a steady job, and who was recently engaged had his home violated -- perhaps by two police informants. Then, three days later, he was allegedly awoken by the sound of someone battering down his front door. His reaction was to defend his home by shooting at the intruders. It isn't a stretch to say that many people might have had the same reaction.

Sending Ryan Frederick to prison for the rest of his life won't bring Det. Jarrod Shivers back. And unless the Chesapeake Police Department -- and for that matter, police departments all across the country -- dramatically change the way they investigate and prosecute drug cases and serve drug warrants, it certainly won't prevent similar tragedies from happening again.

The only way to prevent that is to stop sending police teams barging into private homes to arrest people suspected of nonviolent drug crimes.

ADDENDUM: Earlier on September 25, the day this article posted, Chesapeake Police Chief Kelvin Wright denied that Renaldo Turnbull was ever a police informant. However, Wright did not say whether Turnbull was one of the "burglars" who broke into Ryan Frederick's home.

http://www.jeffersonpolicyjournal.com/?p=279

Ryan Frederick and Civil Liberties

Posted by Don Tabor • February 17, 2009 • Printer-friendly Here in Chesapeake, on February 4, 2009, Ryan Frederick was convicted of manufacturing marijuana for personal use and voluntary manslaughter in the death, slightly over a year earlier, of Detective Jarrod Shivers who was fatally wounded in the course of serving a search warrant on Frederick’s Portlock neighborhood home. The case has been followed in great detail from its beginning at Tidewater Liberty. It would be easy to dismiss this as just another drug related crime but there are consequences for every citizen of Virginia from this tragic incident that threatens both our safety in our homes and our rights under the Constitution.
The Fourth Amendment to our Constitution requires that warrants be issued only for probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation on the part of the officer requesting the warrant. However, this warrant was based entirely on the unsupported claim of a confidential informant who alleged Frederick was engaged in a far larger marijuana growing operation than later proved to be the case. What little supporting investigation was done, a check of DMV and credit information, pointed to a contrary conclusion, that Frederick had a full time job and lived within his means. Frederick had no criminal record nor had there ever been any complaints from neighbors or calls to the location. Nonetheless, the warrant was issued based on the sworn affidavit by Detective Kylie Roberts that the unsworn statement of a known criminal was accurate. The detectives instructed their informant, whom they knew to have no legal means of entry to Frederick’s property, to confirm the operation was still there, but claimed they did not know he participated in a burglary, in effect an illegal search, to carry out their order.
Three days after the burglary, the Chesapeake Special Investigations unit, essentially the drug enforcement squad, raided Frederick’s home. I do not use the term raid lightly, as it became clear from trial testimony that there was never any intention to allow Frederick to peacefully accept the warrant. The seventeen officers at the scene were divided into a primary team which would serve the warrant at the front door and a smaller team which would simultaneously ‘knock and announce’ at the detached garage behind the house where the marijuana grow operation was supposed to be located. Note that there was no suspected evidence in the home itself which could be easily destroyed.
The complex plan fell apart rapidly when put into practice. Fredrick, who had gone to bed, was awakened by banging and the barking of his two large dogs at his front door. Fearful that the thieves had returned, he armed himself and went to investigate, but, just as Frederick entered his living room, the police attempted unsuccessfully to breach the door, instead they just knocked out a portion.
Had the police set out to simulate a home invasion robbery, they could not have done a better job. Frightened, Frederick fired a shot at movement he saw through the gaping hole in his door, fatally wounding Det. Shivers, who was covering the entry team in the front yard.
No explanation has been provided by police for attempting to serve the warrant in such an exceptionally violent and hurried manner. There was no evidence that could be easily destroyed, no hostages to rescue and no reason to believe he would resist if he were aware the police were there and thus no reason to not allow him time to answer the door and determine that police were there to serve a warrant and peacefully allow them entry.
At trial, the jury accepted that Frederick did not know police were at his door, they did, however, reject his plea of self defense, establishing a dangerous precedent that home invaders must be allowed to gain entry to a home before the occupant can use deadly force to repel them. This very limited view of self defense imperils every Virginian and emboldens home invaders with the knowledge their prey will be inhibited by the prospect of prosecution if they do not sacrifice their advantage by waiting for entry to be completed. If this view of self defense stands, we might as well not lock our doors, as they no longer have any meaning.
In the months after the incident, the Chesapeake Police Department conducted a review of the case, but has not revealed any results to the public, other than their intent to purchase more effective body armor. Under our theory of government, police have only those powers granted them by the people. But the people cannot exercise their proper oversight of the police if the police continue to refuse to explain their choice to force entry when safer methods for serving the warrant were clearly indicated.
This incident leaves every Virginian at risk of unreasonable search on the word of an informant with a grudge or of home invasion by thugs confident their victims will be reluctant to act.
Worse, both citizens and police will remain in mortal peril so long as the police use tactics which force citizens to make life or death choices in mere seconds, while uncertain who is coming through their doors, and why.


 
 

Felloffer, I can't think of one good reason why you would know who my friends are on this site. I have no idea who likes you. I bet whoever likes you, they don't like me, too?  I can't tell you how little this matters to me.

I think you should sleep even longer.

Since Slamdunc has shown up, and I would have rather he didn't but heck, since I can't control any one or any thing, and he did, well, I am going to be done with this thread.

He seems to have told everybody twice, how to contact him for answers to all these findings for his story, and the various spins that were being spun.

Have a nice day everyone.

I think it's clear this guys house was raided because of Japanese Maples and water garden equipment in the garage being some big drug operation.

That or his personal life with that woman wasn't accepted by a certain police officer relation. That would explain the TV being confiscated. That policeman prolly bought it for that woman. 

Who knows ..

Interestingly this case is linked to that killing of the college student Peyton Strickland and his dog. I remember the Strickland dog shooting.

JMO.