Middle East heating up - Page 16

Ibrahim, 
One thing we do agree is on is Gouda............

Iam not capable of killing anyone,Christ forbids it,and it is not in me to do such a thing.

  Does your prophet forbid it.?

 bye bye

  gouda

 

I just want to make a little comment here--it sort of goes hand in hand with Jim's post on the page before this. Ibraham I really am sorry you are in the situation you & your people are in and I know you must be tired and scared. I would be and not afraid to admit it. But one thing Jim said about just showing one side of the whole thing, you need to stop and think about the Jews also and their feelings and take on the world. Look what was done to them? Do you think they should just be happy to have their little plot of land where they can worship and believe as they wish? And they shouldn't be mad? Hell yes they have a right to be mad. I'm not condoning what they are doing by any means because I believe there are other ways of dealing with things then violence. Had the Amnerican and British not intervined a lot more of them would have been slaughtered.
Do you think when Jim's family came here from Ireland it was all roses? The Irish were hated and considered lower than a piece of dog poop on my shoe. Given the lowest paying jobs and the crummy dirty jobs because they were considered scumbags. So they should not have been angry?
And now they are doing it to the Hispanics? Only in our more modernized world, it's even worse because of racial profiling and the ID thing etc etc.
And now my favorite subject--what about my culture? They tried to exterminate us also. In fact to tie this in with the Jews Hitler got many of his ideas from what had happened over here. Think we shouldn't be angry? Well we are, still today. You think Russell Means for all that he was didn't hate whites? well he did. Think when we get together we don't talk about things? well we do. But we have different ways of getting ours back.
So all I am saying is you have to look at the total picture from everyone's perspective. BTW being Christian or any other religion has nothing to do with not killing people. Read the old testament in the Bible, it is full of nothing but wars.

Vonissk,

I hear what you're saying, I agree with many things you said. I know for a fact that Jews were brought to Palestine from many parts of the World and were helped to take and rule part of Palestine, this is recent history. To fool the World by saying this is their promised land and make it look like a just cause from God to remove the original people, the Palestinians, and seize their lands is just not acceptable.
It is also not acceptable that Europe and later the US solve the Jews problem on account of the Palestinians. Now Arabs reached a realization that they can not and should not resend the Israelis back to where they came from, they realize that people in the region should co exist. They made a proposal for 2 states. Israel does not want a state for the Palestinians be recognozed by the UN, it keeps consuming Palestinian lands on daily basis and plans to rehome them in Jordan. If the US stops blindly supporting Israel's agression and denial of the Palestinians rights things can shall be worked out.

Ibrahim
 

Vonissk,

These are the facts:

The on-going conflict between Palestinian Arabs and Jews is not a new one but has been there for centuries with its roots not in the difference of the religions but for the fight over land. Until 1948, the land that is now divided into the state of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip was known as Palestine. Jewish claim on Israel comes from the biblical promise that God made to Abraham and his descendents and on the historical fact that the Jewish kingdom of Israel was located. The Palestinian Arabs, on the other hand, claim their right on the land stating that they have been living here for centuries now with a demographic majority. They also refute Jewish notion that they need a haven from Europe’s anti-Semitism as they believe that they should not be forfeiting their land to compensate Jews for Europe’s injustices towards them.

The state of Israel, with Zionists as its dominant ideology is based illegally on mostly the land that they seized from Arabs after the 1948 war. The land they took belonged rightfully to the Palestinians who lost their homes, jobs and farm lands and a large number of them were forced to take refuge in Lebanon where they are living in poor living conditions in the refugee camps.

At the beginning, Zionists were but a handful of people who showed that they have a longing for the Holy Land. However, this spiritual longing had more to it with power-seeking Jews devising a plan for taking over the whole land, making use of the British as their source. Since 1948, when Israel declared establishment of an Israeli state and a huge population of Jews immigrated to the land, Zionists have systematically seized Palestinians of their belongings, resources and also the resources of the neighboring countries. The occupation kept expanding so much so that at present, Palestinian land is nothing but a few patches.

Zionists discovered that they are up against a land which was not uninhabited but densely populated unlike their claimed, nor was it is available for them. Moreover, they found that the ownership system and land tenure was not without its complexities. The land that was available was expensive with its value increasing with the growing population due to immigration. Another Zionist assumption, through which they hoped that the Mandate will become their basis for accessing the land, turned out to be unrealistic. From the data, it is clear that Jews and Zionists acquired land in three different periods. The three percent of the land which Jews owned in 1922 rose up to seven percent of the total land area of the country till 1947 due to the Jewish immigration.

Until the time of general armistice of the 1948 war, the situation had changed to the point that Israel had taken over 77 percent of the Palestinian land with a substantial amount of the good soil, classified in the British Mandate as among the three types of soils present. The expropriation was also made to the privately owned land by the Arabs where 80% of it was confiscated by the Israelis with another 40 percent taken away from the Palestinians. According to an estimate, the total loss resulting from the unjust land acquisition by the Zionists reached up to 7.43 billion pounds.

From Wikipedia:

The Israeli–Palestinian conflict is the ongoing struggle between Israelis andPalestinians that began in the early 20th century.^[2] The conflict is wide-ranging, and the term is also used in reference to the earlier phases of the same conflict, between the Zionist yishuv and the Arab population living in Palestine underOttoman and then British rule. It forms part of the wider Arab–Israeli conflict. The remaining key issues are: mutual recognition, borders, security, water rights, control of Jerusalem, Israeli settlements,^[3] Palestinian freedom of movement^[4] and finding a resolution to the refugee question. The violence resulting from the conflict has prompted international actions, as well as other security and human rights concerns, both within and between both sides, and internationally. In addition, the violence has curbed expansion of tourism in the region, which is full of historic and religious sites that are of interest to many people around the world.

Many attempts have been made to broker a two-state solution, involving the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside an independent Jewish state or next to the State of Israel (after Israel's establishment in 1948). In 2007 a majority of both Israelis and Palestinians, according to a number of polls, preferred the two-state solution over any other solution as a means of resolving the conflict.^[5]Moreover, a considerable majority of the Jewish public sees the Palestinians' demand for an independent state as just, and thinks Israel can agree to the establishment of such a state.^[6] A majority of Palestinians and Israelis view theWest Bank and Gaza Strip as an acceptable location of the hypothetical Palestinian state in a two-state solution.^{[7][unreliable source?]} However, there are significant areas of disagreement over the shape of any final agreement and also regarding the level of credibility each side sees in the other in upholding basic commitments.^[8]

Within Israeli and Palestinian society, the conflict generates a wide variety of views and opinions. This highlights the deep divisions which exist not only between Israelis and Palestinians, but also within each society. A hallmark of the conflict has been the level of violence witnessed for virtually its entire duration. Fighting has been conducted by regular armies, paramilitary groups, terror cells and individuals.Casualties have not been restricted to the military, with a large number of fatalities in civilian population on both sides. There are prominent international actors involved in the conflict. The two parties engaged in direct negotiation are the Israeli government, currently led by Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), currently headed by Mahmoud Abbas. The official negotiations are mediated by an international contingent known as the Quartet on the Middle East (the Quartet) represented by a special envoy that consists of the United States, Russia, the European Union, and the United Nations. The Arab League is another important actor, which has proposed an alternative peace plan. Egypt, a founding member of the Arab League, has historically been a key participant.

Since 2003, the Palestinian side has been fractured by conflict between the two major factions: Fatah, the traditionally dominant party, and its later electoral challenger, Hamas. Following Hamas' seizure of power in the Gaza Strip in June 2007, the territory controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (the Palestinian interim government) is split between Fatah in the West Bank, and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The division of governance between the parties has effectively resulted in the collapse of bipartisan governance of the Palestinian National Authority (PA). A round of peace negotiations began at Annapolis, Maryland, United States, in November 2007. These talks were aimed at having a final resolution by the end of 2008.^[9] Direct negotiations between the Israeli government and Palestinian leadership began in September 2010 aimed at reaching an official final status settlement.


 

I have always wondered how the Israelis got so much power, and gained so much support from other countries.

My assumption has always been money, and the strategic location.