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by Blitzen on 25 July 2012 - 12:07
You bet she's going to make it, Hank. People experience complete recoveries from cancers every day. She will be one of them.
by Ruger1 on 25 July 2012 - 14:07
Shtal,,
lol,, No, I will absolutely not answer your question until you have answered mine..:)
Also, please do NOT respond to me with copy and paste scripture verses or copy and paste commentary...I know the difference..I want yours, "Shtals" words...If I wanted to read scripture or commentary I would get off the computer and go read it...
Also, Do NOT post scripture for me to read..I am familiar enough with scripture that I am able to communicate accordingly... Just cut to the quick. Ask me a plain and simple question in your own words and I will give you a plain and simple answer in my own words...That should be easy enough..:)
Deanna...:)
lol,, No, I will absolutely not answer your question until you have answered mine..:)
Also, please do NOT respond to me with copy and paste scripture verses or copy and paste commentary...I know the difference..I want yours, "Shtals" words...If I wanted to read scripture or commentary I would get off the computer and go read it...
Also, Do NOT post scripture for me to read..I am familiar enough with scripture that I am able to communicate accordingly... Just cut to the quick. Ask me a plain and simple question in your own words and I will give you a plain and simple answer in my own words...That should be easy enough..:)
Deanna...:)
by yellowrose of Texas on 25 July 2012 - 20:07
Paraphrasing what Matt 18: 12=13 Pharasees were not teaching or accepting that Jesus was the Messiah so they were still trying to rule the weak..so Jesus shunned them...
The desicples wanted Jesus to be kinder to them...Jesus said no, what is not planted of GOD will be uprooted...in other words , same as today...if you teach against GODS teachings, you will be made fun of and you will be tried to be taken apart by the world but we are to seek not to please a generation of men that please not God , but those who do the teaching against Jesus , and the Father, will be destroyed...uprooted...as were the teachings of the Pharisees.
John:6:65
People have a choice to come and believe or not come and believe and follow Jesus teachings. Jesus , who is GOD, one in same, knew who would betray him ahead of time..HE IS GOD. Free will takes action thru Faith given to us by the SPIRIT of GOD left by Jesus departing here into heaven and GOD who made the KINGDOM is not worldly so we have a SPIRIT of GOD in us if we accept it...ONLY those who accept the SPIRIT , Jesus and GOD into their lives will be taught and receive those blessings.
But you must learn about much more to understand these verses...
Jesus meant doesn't matter who hates you, turns on you , you have to teach what JESUS imparts by the HOLY spirit and the indwelling of that spirit was thru the disciples at that time and he also inspired them to write those teachings in BOOKS which first are the Biographical four, then the Pauline EPISTLES , General Epistles and the last book of the Bible called the Prophetical...
Ruger 1 can do her explanation too...
YR
by GSDtravels on 25 July 2012 - 20:07
I am not smarter than you, but you are wrong and I am right and you cannot cover that up.
Shtal, your mind closed long ago from what I can see and you don't let logic or evidence cloud your "truth". If that's the way you choose to live your life, I find it rather sad. But, it still doesn't change facts, whether you admit it or not. It's not a language barrier, it's a mind barrier.
It does matter for the very reason that if you don't believe in God and you believe in evolution there is no point whatsoever in debating the matter. That's why I asked.
Wow, GSDguy you said a mouthful of some pretty twisted logic! What has believing in God have to do with debating evolution? Because you believe in God, do you also believe the Earth is flat?
Shtal, your mind closed long ago from what I can see and you don't let logic or evidence cloud your "truth". If that's the way you choose to live your life, I find it rather sad. But, it still doesn't change facts, whether you admit it or not. It's not a language barrier, it's a mind barrier.
It does matter for the very reason that if you don't believe in God and you believe in evolution there is no point whatsoever in debating the matter. That's why I asked.
Wow, GSDguy you said a mouthful of some pretty twisted logic! What has believing in God have to do with debating evolution? Because you believe in God, do you also believe the Earth is flat?
by GSDguy08 on 25 July 2012 - 20:07
Wow, GSDguy you said a mouthful of some pretty twisted logic! What has believing in God have to do with debating evolution? Because you believe in God, do you also believe the Earth is flat?
No, I did not say a mouthful of twisted logic. There truly is no point in doing so if you believe in it/don't believe in God. Where would that debate go?
No, I did not say a mouthful of twisted logic. There truly is no point in doing so if you believe in it/don't believe in God. Where would that debate go?
by Shtal on 28 July 2012 - 22:07
Ruger1,
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John Chapter 8:44)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat. In other words – through roots comes attraction from one into another, but this attractions are different.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)
All sons but not all people.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John Chapter 8:44)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat. In other words – through roots comes attraction from one into another, but this attractions are different.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)
All sons but not all people.
by Shtal on 29 July 2012 - 03:07
Ruger1 wrote: I am familiar enough with scripture that I am able to communicate accordingly.
Ruger1 wrote: I will give you a plain and simple answer in my own words.
So, can I get an answer from you now :-)
Shtal :-)
Sorry it's very complex topic for me to write in english.
Quick grammar fix: In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
Ruger1 wrote: I will give you a plain and simple answer in my own words.
So, can I get an answer from you now :-)
Shtal :-)
Sorry it's very complex topic for me to write in english.
Quick grammar fix: In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
by Ruger1 on 31 July 2012 - 23:07
Shtal,,
Not sure what your above post has to do with the question I am waiting for you to answer,,
And as I stated before, when you answer my question ( in your own words, no copy or paste ) I will be happy to answer you...:)
Not sure what your above post has to do with the question I am waiting for you to answer,,
And as I stated before, when you answer my question ( in your own words, no copy or paste ) I will be happy to answer you...:)
by Shtal on 01 August 2012 - 02:08
When I originally asked you to give me explanation, you said no, forgive my lack of understanding what are you asking?
by Shtal on 01 August 2012 - 02:08
This was my question. Shtal wrote: Matthew 15:12-13 and John 6:65, why some people are chosen by father with an opportunity to come to Christ and some people wasn't given by father for/to Christ.
This is the answer.
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat.
In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
This is the answer.
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat.
In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
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