Dirty little secrets - Page 10

Human nature is not common to all humans, ordinary is irrelevant.
What is it that has you so baffled?

All I can say is I found nothing enlightening in anything ole Joe had to say, no great revelations.
Just more of the same.
White noise.




 

I am not baffled Moons. You are hereby kicked out of this discussion. I am sorry I ever mentioned it to you on your thread. I am not enamored with a dead OP blog writer. I used his thoughts to springboard my own from, since vk4 brought it up. That is all. 
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Certain types of people are sometimes elected to office and they like to keep their notes, I'll go with that.
To everything else:
 


 

Vk4 did not understand why there are files, documents, we're not talking about notes.
I understand it quite well.
Do you?

I also understand why our government keeps files in secret from the public, do you?

I loved Gilda, I wish you'd have found a longer video...

Of course you would think I would not, for any reason that would make sense at face value, but I wish you would tell me.

"Notes" was used generically; gosh this gets exhausting! 
 

These documents that are still being suppressed surely would cause harm to remaining parties still alive, plus the diplomatic nightmare that would arise from certain business and government entities foreign and domestic.
Maybe even criminal consequences for some.
The truth hurts and the few is more important than the many, so it's hidden.
To destroy these documents goes against the nature of why they are kept in the first place.

It might possibly destroy a few illusions.
Remember too, these documents were created before the electronic age of computers and digital storage.

Thumbs up Gilda..... missed but never forgotten.

 

And which illusions are you alluding to? You think it is something grand and big? Still after all this time. 

Truthfully, I really don't think it matters all that much. Nothing  is as earth shattering as we used to expect such proof would be. Nothing short of multiple nuclear reactor explosions would be needed to rock the complacency. 

Sometimes things are kept secret out of our respect and honor for the dead. Maybe that's all it is. Maybe someone they cared about is still alive.



 

Sometimes things are kept secret out of our respect and honor for the dead. Maybe that's all it is. Maybe someone they cared about it still alive.

Like dropping Osama overboard?

You don't think it matters?
Wars have begun over less.

Your illusions Bee,
everyones illusions of trust, honesty, morality, the list is long full of illusions people live by.
Or simply who is working for whom.

Grand or big?
It could change many things globally so yeah that's kinda big.

Man I gotta start wearing my glasses.
Way too many updates.
 

Yes, updates because I am much better writing with a real keyboard and not the iPad which auto corrects and decides what it thinks I am thinking, if I am too quick or a tiny bit careless. My apologies for the creeping additions. It is not intentional. Oh, and the fact my synapses fire all over the place sometimes, as if there is a time lag between my brain and my fingers, up to my eyes, back to my brain, oh well, as I try to do this or that, oh, something like that.

I said I don't think it WOULD matter as perceived by the person(s) doing the deciding have been instructed. Little bit of a difference. In the past, you of course would be right. We are so desensitized to what matters any more. That is my point. The fact this thread is a fact, is probably anti-climactic.

I think I can't possibly have any more to say on this, so I see no need for finding those glasses!

 

Alright Bee, I have been pretty strapped, but I'll hit on a few things. The melting pot and the vacuum.   IMO, the situation has been fluid over over time.  First, I think most thinking people would agree that in nature, even human nature, such a pot doesn't just happen, as much as it's engineered.  Our own was designed during an extremely opportune time (depending on who you talk to I suppose) when the Reformation and natural rights movement (Paine, Locke, etc) were extremely influential in England.  Skip ahead, those founding fathers who were not practicing Christians, were in fact deists, who fully subscribed to the same set of ethics.  Take this moral compass, and combine it with the precedents of English common law and what you end up with is the recipe for the stew.  It's common knowledge that Western Civilization was founded upon three traditions; the Christian, the Enlightenment, and the Classical (Greek & Roman).   Whether or not you are one who believes in the merit of these is irrelevant to the fact that they provided the fabric upon which a nation of diverse ethnicity would could unite.  The second wave of immigration, for instance, was composed primarily of Catholics who could still identify with the Puritans, Presby's, Congregationalists, etc. 

Fast forward... over time, the Classical and Christian components of US society would decline rapidly, due to the revolutions in Europe, the effects of the IR and corresponding Marxist thought, the Great Depression, and the World Wars (wish I could explain more on this).  Our melting pot now consists of a multicultural society engaged in an unchecked capitalism operating in a complete relativity regarding ethics.  Without getting into the efficacy or sanctity of the original model, the new paradigm sees a people who are united only in there quest for material wealth, and self-engagement.  JB touches on that in his essay above.  The success of a free market relies upon restraint and the "just" transaction.  Otherwise, injustice prevails, and the people inevitably cry out for an authoritarian solution (whether they realize it or not).  Today, as JB mentioned, we lack the most basic philosophical vocabulary to even have the conversation, not only because of the variety of beliefs and values, but because we are no longer taught to speak that langauge.  Our capital absolutizing economic model (as opposed to an innocuous capital or free market system) fuels a self-absorbed existence.  The greatest evil may be that as long as we remain amused enough, and are fed well enough, we are content to mindlessly continue feeding the beast, a beast that consumes all peoples and resources in its path.  I mentioned briefly in another post that successful political activism typically happens within nationalist or religious societies.  The vacuum describes the all but complete disintegration of any underlying philosophical fabric within US culture.  In other cultures where movements are or were successful, it wasn't or isn't that the masses are superior in their ability to participate in the conversation, but simply because  they are typically united by race, creed, or both.  In the absence of "greater things", our differences are glaring, and inevitably make the front page.  We have completely lost our identity, and as it stands, amount to little more than a heard of cattle grazing in a field waiting to be slaughtered.

In reality, without a head chef, a recipe, and people who can read one, the stew in the pot looks and  tastes like ****.  

Thank you,  Carlin! I need to immerse myself more, and then some, before, I give more. I can't thank you enough.