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by gouda on 19 March 2013 - 21:03
gouda
by Shtal on 19 March 2013 - 21:03
Can you back it up with scripture or is it Just your speculation,
People here on this board don't know Bible, so should they take your words or you can back it up what the Bible says about Judas was a tool?
by GSDguy08 on 19 March 2013 - 22:03
Furthermore, I have no need to draw any conclusions as I have already drawn my conclusions. I am simply posting a different position for those reading this thread to consider. I have studied and have carefully and prayerfully come to my conclusions concerning my doctrinal beliefs no different then you have,,
Ruger I will say it again as well, I did not copy and paste a response from some article. Are you not reading the fact that I typed those (in fact I typed that up very shortly before I post it on this forum, and I had sent it by PM to another member who asked a question; A question about this thread) and then paste what I had literally just typed very shortly before. So basically, you are saying in your comment that you are not open minded to change whatsoever? Is that correct? Because you have come to your own conclusions? Even if you're doctrinal beliefs were shown wrong by Scripture? That's the thing.....It doesn't matter if you know Scripture well enough that you can communicate it, etc etc.....When posting anything regarding Biblical matters Scripture "should" be posted, as back up of showing support for one, but so others who read it can see why you state what you state. You've told me to be real, don't just regurgitate information? Are you kidding me..... Without Scripture shown to support what one says it is nothing more than jargon. Show me the evidence for why you believe what you believe, and do so by Scripture. If you don't answer anything in that post, at least answer this. Do you believe in the Calvinistic doctrine of "TULIP"?
by Ruger1 on 19 March 2013 - 23:03
GSDGuy,
I know that you said you copied and pasted something you wrote to a friend.... I get that, but I am not going to debate/discuss that way. I am exhausted of reading copy and paste material..I will continue to say it over and over if necessary...I want to speak with a person, not an answering service as it were.,,:)
I have no problem whatsoever posting scriptures, articles, sermons, videos, commentary ; that is a whole lot easier then actually trying to communicate in a personal meaningful way..I chose to speak to people like I am sitting across from them at a table; not standing up in front at a podium...
To answer your question about being open minded, Yes, I am opened minded, but no, I am rarely compelled to change my mind about something once I have been convinced of it..Not saying that I am not willing to listen and give others the opportunity to express their opinion or beliefs, but they rarely persuade me ....
My doctrinal beliefs are proven by the scripture, you have that backwards,,lol,,If you disagree with me then prove it false,,I actually do not have the burden to prove my doctrine, you have the burden to disprove it..It works both ways....
Having said that, I have always posted scripture to support my doctrinal beliefs if someone asked me to. I am not sure why you keep suggesting anything different. I encourage you also to search out Ruger1 and read my comments. If you can find error in them and can support that with scriptures please do...I don't need to post 50 scriptures to support something when one will do.,. If you have a problem with something I believe then disprove it using scripture..
Do I believe in the Calvinistic doctrine of TULIP,, yes I do..but I think you knew that..:)
by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 00:03
Don't play games with me,
Maybe I should ask you in a different way: You said to me: (Judas was used to fulfill a purpose; a tool is used to get a job done) My question to you how do you know Judas was a tool? please show me that in the Bible? Where is it written?
And that is why I already said this before: No one can snatch/steal, but a man can/could perish without abduction. As it was with Judas Iscariot - no one snatch/stole him, but he went out of the hand of Christ.
Shtal.
by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 00:03
How do you know Judas was God's tool? if he was as you said he was then he wouldn't perished becuase God would guarded him according to your foundation or logic.
With your logic - God pick and chooses, if he does not like Redsable, GSDguy08, Gouda or ME anyone else then he would NOT guarded them RIGHT?
And so that is why Judas Iscariot perish because God did NOT like him according to your logic!
by Ruger1 on 20 March 2013 - 01:03
I will try a different approach to explain what I mean.. In order to understand my use of the word tool you have to understand that God is sovereign. All of Gods Holy and Perfect Will will come to pass and His Will is not subject to mans will, but man is subject to God. Therefore, all that comes to pass is directly ordered by God. Judas did not belong to Christ, he was the tool God used to bring His Will to pass. Gods Will was that Christ would be betrayed into the hands of those who would crucify Him. Scripture does not say that, " Judas was a tool"..I am using the word tool to describe the purpose Judas fulfilled in Gods ultimate plan of salvation...You error in thinking that Judas ever belonged to Christ, he certainly didi not or he would still belong to Christ..
The biggest problem you have is that you error in thinking there are multiple kinds of people..There ONLY two, those that belong to God and those that do not...
,"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition
so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." John 17:12
.You just told me that Judas went out of the hand of Christ..That is not possible according to the scripture below..
John 10:25 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
and
Romans 8:35-34
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Not man, not death, not life, not angels, not demons,not present, not future, not any power,not height, not death, not ANYTHING ELSE IN ALL CREATION.. Base on the above will you still maintain that Judas belonged to God and he removed himself from the hand of God??..
by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 01:03
Shtal.
by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 01:03
Again, where is it written?
by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 01:03
Judas did hear Christ voice but later went out of the hand of Christ.
No one can snatch/steal, but a man can/could perish without abduction
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