Let's Have Some Truth for a Change - Page 10

The topic of this thread is truth, not rhetoric.

Except there was no truth in it.
One either believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God, or they don't. 

Jesus, is God in the Flesh, so if God said in the Old Testament He Hates the act of homosexuality, than of course Jesus feels the same way. He came to fulful the Law, not to abolish it.

If you do not believe Jesus is God, than there is no point even debating the issue, is there?

 It is obvious that no one here is going to change anyones mind, only God can do that. 
These type of threads are pointless.

And that is all I have to say on the matter.

Red Sable, good post. But to your comment   It is obvious that no one here is going to change anyones mind, only God can do that.
These type of threads are pointless.

These threads probably are pointless, as the best studying of any sort is done in person.  With that said, "only God can do that", as in change people's minds? That would lead to the idea of predestination in a way (in a way, if you look at it the wrong way of course).  We have free will of course,  it takes someone wanting to change, or.....someone being convinced through hearing the word.   But of course that is "God's word"....so in a sense yes, only God can do that :)

Gsdguy,,Would you mind explaining exactly what you mean by this statement?..

 "With that said, "only God can do that", as in change people's minds? That would lead to the idea of predestination in a way (in a way, if you look at it the wrong way of course)."

I meant predestination as in certain people believe that only certain people are chosen, only certain ones are selected to be saved.  The theory some use and say "if they were saved" they were chosen to be saved before hand.  Some will twist and misuse the scriptures that talk about being predestined, they will twist it to try to prove that idea.  And of course you have some who think of predestination in another sense, sort of similar though....Like no matter what you do in your life, all of your choices will lead to the exact same destination (like on that movie the Adjustment Bureau).......which totally throws out having a free will in someones eyes who believes in that form of predestination. 

With all of that said though, I think I kind of misread what was written/mistyped how I meant to say it, but I'll go ahead and leave what I just typed before this though about predestination itself anyway.    It "does" take God to change people's minds, but people at the same time have to want to do so themselves. It takes showing others His word to do so, by studying with them, by preaching, etc.   But people have to act upon the word, to obey it, to live by it, that takes a person's commitment to serve God. A commitment that is a life time and comes with it's struggles,  and wouldn't just be God controlling everything they do.  Anyway, I didn't really say it how I meant to say it in the other comment.

GSDGuy - I personally don't have any problem with people 'preaching' about what they believe in, in order to perhaps convert or at least educate atheists like me.  You won't succeed, but I don't object to you trying !  But you have rushed
in to defend on this thread without considering that my remarks were addressed purely to Shtal & only to Shtal -  as
you are usually clear and sort-of-logical in your own posts  [I deliberately won't use 'rational' as I don't think religion IS that !] and do address specific issues raised with you, I do not include your posts in my points list responding to Shtal.

I wonder what God thinks about threads like these? Is He smiling with approval to see His children debating His Word? Or is He cringing at so many disbelievers, or maybe at how His Words are twisted & used so loosely by the ignorant to persecute anyone who disagrees with them? Is He angry that some revile at the intelligence He has bestowed upon some, or that His Words are used to threaten others with Damnation when He so clearly stated "Judge Not!" Or maybe He is enjoying a hearty Holy Laugh at our incompetance at his edict to Love one another.
I wonder....????


I know He exists. I used to be...I guess a Christian agnostic, believing in God, but unsure of which religious practise I could affiliate with.
I even dabbled in Buddhism for a while.
Then I started my work with Hospice patients. So many of them 'see' Angels, 'see' a figure they say is Christ as they pass, even reach out to Him....they say they are holding His Hand.....and their fear leaves them, their eyes shine....it's difficult to explain. I have held their hands as they leave this world, and most, even those who were very fearful, experience a moment of total love & bliss as they expire. And sometimes other things I can't explain happen. 
This has strengthened my belief in a Loving & Compassionate God.

Evil things happen because there are Evil things in some hearts & minds, & God allows us free choice. He created us, but He doesn't control us, like any Good parent. He Hopes we follow His teachings.

Just my opinion...

jackie harris

GSDguy,,

..a certain person is near dead drowning in the sea..Jesus arrives on the scene in a boat. As the person is overwhelmed by the sea, and near death, Jesus ...

...throws the person a life jacket. Using their own strength they get themselves to the boat and  save themselves...

or


..a certain person is near dead drowning in the sea..Jesus arrives on the scene in a boat. As the person is overwhelmed by the sea and near death, Jesus ....

...Jumps into the sea and brings the tired and weary person to the boat ...

or



..a certain person is dead at the bottom of the sea. Jesus arrives on the scene in a boat. As the person is lying dead on the bottom of the sea, Jesus...

 ...goes to the botton of the sea, brings them to the boat, breaths life into their dead body, and SAVES the person...



*Which of these scenarios best describes what you mean by " free will " ???...

* Which of these scenarios best describes what scriptures teaches about the state of an unregenerate person and their ability to believe the Word..


 
 

Oh my, I see Shtal is at it againg... lying that is!

If you guys so smart and know everything, challenge me with evolution subject, I gave a chance to people to prove to me and you guys failed many times.

I nailed your ass to a tree on evolution!

Travels waves, I'm still here every now and again  

GSDtravels, I have a question for you. Do you believe in God?  And, what exactly do you believe about evolution, tell me, how do you believe it "happened".  I'm not referring to adaptation as animals may very well do, but what about how it all started? That's more so my question, I'm curious as to that.

Hundmutter, honestly.....I don't remember reading your comments before lol. So I don't know what all you've said (I'm beyond tired right now so don't hold that against me).

And anyone else who may have commented to me, sorry, I'll get back to you tomorrow.  I'm exhausted right now and need to get some stuff done so I can go rest.