6 1/2 mos Hip xrays...Opinions Please - Page 9

"After nearly fifty years of research, scientists have not found any gene, not recessive nor otherwise, responsible for HD.....it all comes down to the congruity of the ball in the socket, which is cartilage at birth, then depending on the congruity, becomes bone."

That is so out of date. For some current science, see this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4395148/

It is very technical but the punchline is that there is a genetic prognostic test for early diagnosis of hip dysplasia in Labrador Retrievers, and the test has good accuracy.

And again, this topic belongs in a new thread. I just hate seeing more misinformation thrown around.

Still waiting for the vet....

 

Joanro, Draven is the red collar boy....and heres another.....you are correct, the pups are 3 weeks old in these pictures.

And a couple more

 

Too bad the pups can't stand. Three weeks is too early to feed them, unless they are orphans... solid ( even tho sloppy) plus mother's milk is too much so young...creates fat puppy and too fast growth.

Here is a picture of one of my new borns...standing on all fours at birth, still wet..

JonRob, "out of date," you say, regarding the article? It's only a couple years old, if memory serves. Maybe at the very oldest 2014 but I think it's more like 2016. As a breeder (and supposedly a dog-fighter/sympathizer according to you, as was pointed out to me in another thread, LOL), I pay attention to these things, so I can stay on the cutting edge of developmental disorders in my breed.

Regarding the notion that breeders aren't a knowledgeable resource, as I have a LIFETIME buyback guarantee for any reason, it makes little financial difference to me, as has been alleged here. However, no one wants dogs to suffer. Therefore, those in positions of "power" (meaning power to potentially influence a dog's health on a major scale, be it an owner or a breeder or a vet) ought to learn all they can. My personal experience is that in a decade of raising a dogs a particular way, no dog who I have had through or at least halfway through the rapid growth period (4 mos or so) has failed OFA. I don't know how many others have had during that time, but I find my numbers and success percentage awfully convincing that HD probability can be significantly lowered through careful rearing.

Joan, I am with you on this. We don't know about the genetics, so we control what we can after doing all we know to do on a genetic front. That includes traction when they're young. Mine are born on rubber-backed rugs and have traction every day of their lives until they leave me. Do I know this will help? Of course not, but I know it isn't hurting them and I know it's awfully hard to build muscle with zero resistance...so...

We know that certain genes take certain variables to "switch on." I saw no one "blaming" the owner. I saw many attempts to educate in order to hopefully have better "luck" in the future- not to say the HD was the owner's fault!!!! More like "Here is some information on the biology of the issue, maybe you'll find it interesting/educational." Some of us have seen hundreds if not thousands of x-rays. Some of us like to be hateful and discredit posters they simply don't like for some reason.

I would caution ANY poster to check into backgrounds of those they choose to take advice from.

And, as a reminder, I was blasted for suggesting FHO but it seemed to be skipped that I said "IF MONEY IS AN ISSUE." THR is a fine choice if the surgeon is incredibly skilled *and you can afford it.* I have a fantastic mobile surgeon if you are interested. He has been cutting edge in the ortho implant field for many years. His pricing is competitive, too, since he operates with much less overhead. Feel free to call me, as well, and I can give you his info.

Oh, and JonRob, I checked. Your article stating a responsible gene detected is actually OLDER than what Joan posted, yet you berated her.

Agree with you, Jenni. I know the difference in hip rating from pups born in swimming pools and  for the first several weeks of life....not good results. Same dogs with litter on good surface with traction for newborns, onward...healthy hips.

Herbazen, here is a three week old litter of mine...this is a goat I butchered for us humans, after the meat is cut off, I give the left over a to my dogs. Before I cut this up,I let these little ones enjoy **gumming**the meat! They don't have the ability to get much off, but certainly enjoyed the taste! One of them got inside ... no problem walking.

"I just hate seeing more misinformation thrown around."

That's simple; stop posting misinformation.

You think cartilage to bone is 'so old fashioned'. Really?

How old fashioned is this exray?

From Jenni: "As a breeder (and supposedly a dog-fighter/sympathizer according to you, as was pointed out to me in another thread, LOL)"

Not according to me--your own words speak for themselves. For those who missed it, here they are:

When someone posted this:

"Do the AKC and UKC even care who is a registered breeder anymore? This guy is an avid dog fighter and even has pics on his Facebook page and still he maintains his AKC/UKC registration."

Jenni responded with this:

"Why would they care about a legal activity taking place in another country?"

and this:

"Plus, dog fighting is only abhorred in certain areas/cultures. It's quite narrow-minded (a typical American affliction) to think that other countries and cultures find it as disgraceful as we do. 

Again, I repeat...why would they care what some guy does in Indonesia?"

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/community.read?post=433334-akc--ukc-registered-dog-fighter#433488

Draven's mom, if you need any info that will actually help Draven, just let me know. And please let us know what happens. I'm done with the rest of this trash.

"Joint laxity is the primary factor that predisposes a dog to the development of hip dysplasia.""

The way I read that statement is that there could be other, secondary factors, not just the one.

"After nearly fifty years of research, scientists have not found any gene, not recessive nor otherwise, responsible for HD.....it all comes down to the congruity of the ball in the socket, which is cartilage at birth, then depending on the congruity, becomes bone."

This makes sense, and I certainly cannot debate it since I do not know enough about HD and why it occurs, but I do know that if there is a recessive genetic component for ANY fault, it can be expressed 'out of the blue', no matter how careful the breeder is. What sets the 'good' breeder apart is how they deal with the discovery of the fault, and if they stand behind their 'guarantee' (if the fault is covered in such).    I feel badly for the OP and also feel that the breeder is ducking their responsibility.    Shite happens, it's the way that it's dealt with after-the-fact that determines integrity, IMO.