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by Hired Dog on 17 November 2019 - 09:11

BE, inexperienced, first time handlers are the norm. These are young kids, 23-35 years old who get into K-9 because its fun. You get a dog that bites, you get a cool car, you wear a cool uniform, its fun.
The dogs I have seen selected for these guys are not the tough dogs, actually, its the opposite. They have dogs that are extremely social, play/prey driven that may bite out of prey.

The older, experienced handlers that have a few years left to retire, do not want to deal with the tough dogs, they have paid their dues, they have worked for 20-25 years, they are no longer young kids that want to run around too much.
Yes, they have some experience, but, who wants to deal with a dog thats an asshole and its constantly challenging you?

ALL of them want a dog that is the baddest of the bad when the proverbial poop hits the fan, but, again, no one wants to deal with the tough dogs, especially the ones that are unbalanced. I owned a dog like that, probably the toughest dog I have ever owned, trained or worked with, but, nothing I ever want in my life again due to the assholitis part that he genetically possessed.

Duke, as far as the ball you mentioned, its not too hard, if you start with an 8 week old puppy, its not happening with if you start with a mature adult. Like I said in a previous post, you learn to deal and train in ways that are mutually beneficial and respectful and you dont build conflict too much.

by ali44 on 17 November 2019 - 10:11

Inexperienced or not, no one should ever underestimate a dog, especially one trained to attack a human. Apart from pit bulls, every dog show some sign of an imminent attack or bite when it is better to step back and try a different approach, not to provoke such a dog further.

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by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 November 2019 - 10:11

That's the thing. With Preyaggression and Frustration, it's very silent and subtle. Even PitBulls show the signs, but people can't read them because they are SILENT.

Just the other day we had someone at the shop with a dog aggressive dog and she couldn't read it. It was silent. All the dog did was silently wag with a stiff tail. The owner swore up and down that the dog was not aggressive but the dog had a history of attacking dogs.

Inexperienced handlers are just the same. They can't read their dogs. They can't handle these types of dogs and mostly, they really don't need these types of dogs that have a non existant threshold with a level of frustration that borders on negligence.

by ValK on 18 November 2019 - 14:11

it could be silent for someone, who isn't familiar with these dogs. but the dogs in topic, were raised and handled,
up to the moment they conducted fatal attack and their temperament was well known to the stuff, who works in there.
i'm more wondering, for what purpose these dogs was kept and used in that facility?

by ali44 on 19 November 2019 - 02:11

In the army the soldiers are trained to kill, so maybe the dogs are too....
A few years ago, I was told by a former French soldier who fought during the Algerian independence war that they (the French) used to send their German shepherds on brutal attacks to kill Algerian men and the dogs proudly brought back pieces of human necks. So yes, both Malinois and German shepherd can be trained to be killing machines, maybe not all of them, but some will become very good at it.

by Hired Dog on 19 November 2019 - 04:11

all44, how old are you?

by duke1965 on 19 November 2019 - 04:11

ali, maybe dogs are trained to kill, but not kill their owner/handler, minor detail maybe

by ali44 on 19 November 2019 - 04:11

Hired dog, I 'm in my 30's, and the french man that told me the war story was 71 years old ( ancient combatant as they are called in France) at that time and 20 years old when he fought in the algerian war. The reason he told us was because he saw our GSD and remembered how they used GSDS in the war. If they had any problems with these dogs among their own French soldiers I don't know, he didn't say anything about that.
Duke, of course dogs are not trained to attack their owner/ handler, but I didn't understand from the article: was the victim the dog 's handler or was he just someone who used to bring them food and clean the kennel and tried to force them back in their kennel at which point the dog attacked him?

by Allan1955 on 19 November 2019 - 05:11

First of all a pack attack has different dynamics than a single dog attack. Especially by high prey driven dogs.
Freak accidents happen, and cannot be linked to one breed.
The same as in the other thread.

by ValK on 19 November 2019 - 10:11

no one know for what these dogs was used?


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