Line fishing with one of my dogs - Page 7

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What does possession have to do with bad training?

 She doesn't have bad training, I don't think she's ever been taught an out because she was used to demonstrate possession. It's pure possession. Look up her videos. They are out there. Than you'll understand.

Mike SuttleSuttle is now sending problem dogs to you for training???

Mike has either gone downhill or you are a super elite trainer.

 

Mike has a dog that he never taught to out because demo dog???

 

I need to keep up with the internet more.

VK, you are absolutely ridiculous. Seriously... where did anyone say that she is a problem dog. He adopts his retired females out. While she is easy to handle, she is super possessive. She is with a Novice Handler and an older dog that hasn't been trained in a while. The least amount of conflict was with the breaker. So that's what we've used in the beginning. Now she will drop the ball to the ground. She's also not for bitework since she got injured during a demo.

So how about you do us both a favor and stop assuming things, because you know what they say about assuming, right?


Interesting thing I noticed about Shawnis last video. Watch him closely after the out. His dog also looks away for a split second and reengages after the whip cracking.


 

Yr post makes a lot less sense since you edited it.

Here is a 6 yr old dog that never had any formal bite training, this is his third time ever with a decoy...two yrs between each session. I have made sure he does know  to 'alert' and 'out', the rest is all him. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/53jaz5hatubq1h9/Otto%206%20yr%20old%20pp%20.mp4?dl=0 

Why do people try to glorify their dog biting? It’s a normal thing for a decently bred German Shepherd Dog to do. It’s not rare. If a dog has never had a bad experience during a bite work session, it should easily bite when being agitated. I really don’t get how people keep track of how many bite work sessions a dog has had as if it’s going to impress someone. Same thing goes for tracking…no one cares how many times you’ve tracked your dog, can it do it? Can it do it without a piece of food in every footstep? Same with protection, control the dog, ask for obedience, then let it light up on a helper that’s not moving or agitating them. I really don’t get it, with all these people here that do some sort of protection training, it’s amazing that no one just comes out and says that for a dog with decent nerve, and decent drive…the biting is the easiest thing to do.

Get control, expect control, put some conflict in the dog’s head and see what kind of drive they have then. It’s why people glorify some of the exercises you see in ring and suit sports…helpers moving around the dog, coming close to the dog, and the dog has to sit there or lay there without attacking. A dog has to be clear enough to not just go for the first suit or sleeve it sees. Way too often all we see is videos of a dog on a long line, pulling towards a helper, and getting a bite. The only thing that dog has ever known in that situation is that it gets to bite, it’s not thinking that there might be another expectation or another option, so it’s always going to bite.

There is no glorifying , only giving some history. There was no agitation by the decoy. This dog was never 'trained' in bite work...no foundation from puppy hood. Most sound gsd will absolutely NOT bite when it's appropriate and with permission from handler, without training or at least put into a corner, so to say, to 'force' him to bite.
As for knowing how many times this dog has been 'allowed' to bite is easy; once every two years since he was a two year old.
If you don't like him, that's great. I would not expect you to like any dog of mine.

 But showing others that a quality, sound gsd does not always require cradle to grave training to be an effective protection dog was my aim.

Posting videos for sake of conversation takes a lot of guts on this board, because there are delicate egoes that get bruised when the videos are viewed, so insults are flung....

Lol...you call that an effective protection dog? Yup...that's why that industry gets such a bad wrap. There was definitely agitation, I saw the way the helper was moving, you're smart enough to not show what the helper did initially but the helper came through the cars, facing up the dog with that quick little fake jog or whatever you want to call it is agitation. The helper is also wearing a bite suit...a huge sign to any dog that has had any sort of bite training (even your claimed 2 sessions) that it's time to bite. I'll assume that the helper made attraction when the dog moved to go around the one vehicle instead of going right up the middle of the two cars as well in order to get the dog to redirect to the proper path and towards the helper himself - all of that is agitation to a dog...it might not be whip cracking and stick shacking...but it's agitation. Just looking at a dog that has been in a similar situation, while wearing a suit or a sleeve, is many times enough for most decent dogs to activate and realize the game that's going on. It's the same idea as when the second time I work a puppy on a rag or pillow or whatever, the moment they see that piece of equipment, they light up.

No one flung insults, all I said was most decent dogs would do what the dog in that video did. I never said I didn't like that dog...there's nothing to see to make any kind of conclusion about the dog. The same way I said most decent dogs would do the scenario that the OP posted with minimal training. You want to choose to have your ego hurt because someone said that the video you posted shows an average dog? That's your choice. There is absolutely NOTHING special about any of the scenarios and videos that have been posted on this thread. All the dogs fit the GSD breed standard IMO, have decent enough nerve/drive to bite, but they're far from exemplary or extraordinary examples of the breed. They're normal working line GSDs. Most decent dogs...those doing bite sport at club level, or even those that are back yard bred on the coat tails of more successful/proven dogs will perform the same way in the situations that were presented. None of those situations prove that the dogs are good working dogs, could've been/could be K9s, or even be successful sport dogs. All the scenarios are very basic level bite work.

So bw what is it u call outstanding bite work