EARLY SIGN OF HANDLER AGGRESSION OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? - Page 2

Particularly a dog like this...DO NOT Touch the dog while working the dog in Bite Work...Let the "Helper" work the dog...I'm not a proponent of praising the dog while working anyways...but this is a good way to help a dog that's very low drive and needs some help...
A dog in Drive to do protection wants to get to the source of his agitation...Usually to bite...So when frustration sets in the dog will sometimes go after whatever he can get to...The "helper" or a "Training Director" should help in this situation and guide the handler so no one gets hurt...
When a young dog is working in protection and is being "Loaded"...You have to be aware of where his attention is...Because a dog can turn and bite anything or anyone that's close to him...So the handler needs to learn how to handle a dog like this or work him on a "post" until he knows how to direct his attention to the "helper" and not anything else around him at the time...

~Bob~

Listen to Qman, Blacthorne, Denwolf, and Hmpt......they are trying to educate you.

To me it's the sign that I would be taken seriously the dog doesn't have a clear head like so many more over run by drive can't see anthing else

Has the puppy finished teething ?? No need for bite work before 6 months. The puppy needs a full set of teeth and a lot of growing up before any bite work. Sounds like operator error if any puppy bites it's normal handler. They might bite a strange handler. Like most club training they are getting the cart before the horse .. let the puppy grow up first. The owner needs a better and more trusting relationship with the puppy such that the puppy has absolute trust in the handler ... that is not taught on an IPO field or by having the dog bite a sleeve.

If the dog is so loaded that it is redirecting onto handler, do they really need physical praise from handler?
Seems to me that dog is getting enough self satisfaction from barking. Verbal praise should suffice.
I agree with Bubba on relationship, seems like from what you are describing there is some handler/dog conflict. 

"That male is pulled off the bite with the harness handle. "

Thats the problem. Dog is taken away from a fun game in a shitty way, which has caused conflict.

Example I use for this- so say you are a police officer, and everytime you are fighting a suspect trying to put cuffs on him, your partner walks up and starts dragging and choking you with your shirt collar. After a time or two of this, are you going to start having issues with your partner and be weary when he approches?

Pulling a dog off of a bite from its harness? Eeek. Stop that. Either do a proper lift off, which builds drive, or slip. At that age, I would be slipping with an occasional lift off. 

I have never heard of someone doing that, so I can't even imagine the bad habits that has/will create.

The handler is a new owner as well ( maybe early to mid 20's). What I dont like about that 5 month pup is that he barks before, during, and after the bitework. Its quite annoying, but why is he doing this?

Well tell them to stop and rebuild that trust 

Why is he barking before, during, and after bitework? 

Because its fun for the dog and hes excited? Mine bark in their crates while other dogs are being worked. I haven't seen too many dogs that do bitework that don't bark when it is going on.

Choking the dog off the sleeve is amateurish and wastes the puppy's energy and drive . Teach the puppy to out first .. that is taught on a tug after the dog has teeth not on a sleeve at 5 months. If you can't teach the puppy to out a tug then that puppy does not belong on a field with a helper and a sleeve. Everyone wants to rush to bite work but the relationship with the puppy comes first. Any time table based on human need to obtain titles and shiney things is doomed to fail. Let the puppy be a puppy.

yes but not all of them are doing so before, during, and after

Everyone's program is different, out in bitework is one of the last things we teach. We do not utilize lift offs in every session, but it for sure builds drive. Absolutely not a method to be used to train the out.
If you want to start out in bitework, Bubbas advice of beginning with tug or toy is a good place to start.
I would correct issues with conflict first.

If dog's barking is issue, park farther away from training field, at least before their session so he isn't tired from barking. Annoying for sure, but not really something to gripe about.