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lots of confidence as well as common sense, but just not going to argue the superiority of the Xmalis nonsense, as it will go no where

Yes, this is exactly what KNPV is all about.

Confidence and common sense to training,
evaluating pedigrees, step-by-step training,
but we also expect courage (confidence)
and discernment (common sense) among
our 4 legged friends. Why should we as
owners, breeders, handlers lack any of
these human traits for a successful relation
ship with our animals!?

xMali non-sense - Sometimes, the baggage
of other issues cloud our thinking process.
In my very first post, I mentioned a MB who
attained a KNPV.  He was the origin of this
post. As much as we like, we cannot exclude
any successful breeds who have attained KNPV.
If there is a  chihuhua  that's attained a KNPV
I would like to know.
 

I don,t wanna say there a no good GSD I know some very good one  Collin Hornhutte , Trossacks Fortune Nick,Fedor Seven Bridges ,some dogs from the
Gardefense Kennel. Most of the GSD are males it,s hard to find a good female and proven offspring that is more important for me.and thats the different
with the  DS/Malinois,. It,s always a sensetive subject Mali vs GSD  .

Ask the helpers and the more experienced people and listen what they say they give all the same answers  , I have seen last years 40/50 GSD in the
 KNPV  and  4 or  5  are  more than average. compare with the DS/Mali. Most of the handlers don,t like GSD in the KNPV why is that.........





 

BlackMalinois - I'm still hoping some helpers will join in
on our discussion.

Remember, this is not about ______ versus _________.

What we should be factoring in on is: they must all share certain
characteristics to withstand the rigors of training in KNPV.

But eventually, after reading, participating from this post, the active
forum members will deduce the general direction of KNPV. And,
at the end-of-the-day, we will either sustain, maintain and/or
deteriorate the characteristics of KNPV in a given, particular breed.

(Others) What is your role in this matter?


 

Thanks Black Malinois for the valuable info, I never owned a Malnois and I am curious to hear your take on difference between Malinois and GSD in terms of temperament (only), I hope ddr gsd doesn't mind my little off-topic question.

I appreciate all the active and passive posters who have
contributed or viewed this post(s).  For me, it has been a
very educational and informative post.  Some of you
have reinvigorated my passion for research; Some of you
have restored my love of the training regiment; Some of
you have instilled my passion for my dream; Some of you
are the greatest to whom they give their hearts to rehab,
rescue and restore the daily cull/runaway/stray;  Some
of you I owe my generation of inner thoughts and personal
conceptual understandings from sharing and listening to
your very own thoughts, feelings and stories about our 4
legged friends. 

In 6 months or so, I will introduce and update you on my
Caro pup.

I am sincerely wishing you a Happy New Year!
 

Ibrahim take over, until then (6mos)... .

 I think this discussion is only valuable if more KNPV people enjoy this subject no people outside the KNPV because they have never
 trained with this breeds in the KNPV program, I ,m training KNPV  with a cross malinois and have seen different breeds also as a helper.

 DDR have you ever seen Max  owner Douwe van Groningen  or Caro van Brandevoort for real or is your opinion only from videos

 The different for me is the proven KNPV bloodline from Max . Berrie II, Andor,Buster,Rudi,Tara , Chica exellent KNPV bloodlines
and offspring. Berrie II only have 50 certified KNPV  titled offspring !!

 

ddr gsd

Please take what you will read below from a positive angle as I mean nothing otherwise, honestly

I understand that you're looking to have a very good GSD in terms of proven work abilities, temperament etc. First thing that comes to mind is the work GSD is in bad shape since it needs this much of research and hard work to find one, especially for someone in the States with so many breeders, clubs and big population of work GSD. This really raises doubt about what did the work GSD gain afterall those years, not much of conformation and not much of real work credentials since it isn't easy to find a good specimen.

If I were in the States I would take a different approach than yours. I wouldn't look into KNPV which is not available in the States. I would:

Approach local breeders who sell to Police departments and have a good record of offspring serving there.
Or I would check with the Police departments and see from which breeders they import their GSDs.
Or I would go to a broker who imports and sells to Police departments.

IPO and or KNPV is not a sure proof that a dog is good enough, they are only  tools and tools might be corrupted in many cases, otherwise all IPO certified dogs would be above average, but truth is many IPO titled dogs would not qualify criteria to work for Police !!!!

Ibrahim

Some serious tests with high preasure from the Logan Haus Kennel Mike Suttle  most of  his dogs are coming from the KNPV with proven  bloodlines
He is selecting for hardness and very strong nerves ,high drives.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO3f7rD1GRk

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFZSYndHSo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cftn_C54ULc

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LgIM3tdojI