@ Koach Bomber vom Wolfsheim son in KNPV - Page 1

@ Koach/ Oldschool

Jendo vom Damburcherschloss

 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=658742-jendo-vom-damburgerschloss

 

Not my  favourite GSD in his work and looks litle bit too heavy, but first Bomber son what I know in KNPV he is not PH certified my info.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL_bgX7f_Bk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q4ffdl_Nr4

 

Thanks BM,

The only thing I like about the dog is his desire to work and his great personality. For the rest he is much to big and body soft. He has to put a lot of physical effort into his work.
This type of dog grows physically old very fast.

Have a good 2017 my friend.

GG

Its interesting to see a Bomber son in in a different program than the IPO

have seen him a few years ago for real,I didn,t know he was a Bomber son

You also all te best in 2017 with the dog and family

👍👍
Vonrivera

Why should a Bomber son not be able to participate in KNPV? It´s about drive, temperament, and training.

Koach, the famous "Big Roy" is said to weigh more than 115 pounds ... ( Hans Pegge ).
The PH2 champion in 2013 was a 17 years old girl with an 87 pounds dog ( Rudy jr ) ... ( she was in the top 5 again in 2014 ).

The "classic" KNPV breeds become bigger and heavier, too, and these dogs are used for breeding.

I may be clueless in case of KNPV, but I try to follow the dogs and the overall development of the working dog breeds, and in our DVG clubs I am able to see Malinois, Dutch Herders, and X-crosses on a regular basis, imported from either Belgian or Netherland working stock.
The Malinois breed, formerly "the" example for KNPV dogs, is already devided into FCI showline Malinois and "working" Malinois.
Professional handlers for a couple of years now tend to use mixes ( Belgian/Dutch/German), but even their dogs became way bigger and heavier ( examples above ).

Am I wrong?

 

Big Roy is from a higher quality level than that Bomber son in his work trust me, not saying a very big GSD can,t do the job if he have the right genetics.

KNPV have always some big dogs in their breeds thIs comes from the influence from the
Great Danish dogs in the 1960- 1970,s

But dogs over the 110 pounds you will not see a lot in the KNPV 90 percent will between 65 and 90 pounds 23-26 inches for the males what I see in KNPV clubs around in Holland.

It is not a secret that some FCI malinois and dutch shepherds have cross mixed with the KNPV malinois/dutch shepherd

 

Most of KNPV handlers who I know don,t like too over weighted BIG  dogs

also the police departments in Holland don,t like this they need speed with power.atletic  and drives, not too slowley dogs who are too much over weighted

For military jobs who are working in the heat / or desert it is not convenient  have too big dogs who are overweighted

Susie,

I still prefer higher standards for athleticism in trials for dogs that may be some day working in LE. As people show a preference for larger animals and breeders follow suit the trial or test standards requirements are eventually lowered to accommodate the evident general loss of agility.

As in people a longer healthier life, everything else being equal, seems to be the destined to smaller and thinner individuals.

GG

Black, I never questioned that a KNPV champion is "from a higher quality level" than an untitled somebody - I was talking about "participating" in KNPV, not "winning" - I am not dumb.
I was talking about "ability", not about "winning", although GSD Enzo was good enough for winning...

I tried to talk about body seize, and weight - I noticed that during the last 10 years the dogs used in KNPV became bigger and heavier - might be a mistake on my behalf, I have to believe in the dogs I see in Germany, and the data I am able to find on workingdogs.

But in case I may be right, and you are telling me that police is looking for the "lighter" dogs, than I resume that KNPV became the same sport as IPO over here, using the most impressive sport dogs, but not necessarily using the best working dogs - and later on breeders are breeding to the winners...

Remembers me of "my" breed - everybody knows what a "real" working dog needs, but the majority doesn´t care.

So the Malinois breed is already separated into show and work, next KNPV is separated into sport and real working dogs? The "real" dogs are sold as soon as they are titled ( I have been at one event years ago, that was like a "winter sale" ), out of the field, into the next car, just my impression, maybe wrong.

In case of KNPV I am a observer only, no participant, but I am afraid the next breed will become a pet breed just because of its fame.

@ Susie

I think the police departments here need social dogs with some real courage and hardness. open minded  with enough drives and very strong nerves who can do the job in any situation and everywhere not only on the sportfield this is how they selecting.

Showline malinois/dutch shepherds  I have never seen on the KNPV field sorry

 

We had a police V biker crackdown here for last few years. Some of the lighter dogs were not that effective in battle against a massive guy in leather jackets.

As anyone who fights knows in CQC weight can be a big advantage but then again large size can be a disadvantage.

 

Their is a sweet spot for fighting that gives you the most versatility.