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by Laura on 26 October 2004 - 15:10

hello everyone, something weird happened at my friend's kennel. one of the puppies is completely grey. he has never had such a puppy. is it maybe due to the male dog that my friend chose for the first time for mating? another breeder said that such puppies turn out to be of reddish colour, without the black coat. has anyone else had such puppies? can those dogs take part in dog shows? or is it maybe a sign of bad breeding?

by Lestat on 26 October 2004 - 15:10

There are four recognised colours of the German Shepherd, black/tan, black, sable and bi-colour. A grey puppy would be classed as a sable and yes, they can show compete and breed with. This as far as I know was the original colour of the shepherd and today in my opinion is still one of the best. But to produce sable puppies, one of the parents must be sable, othewise there is a problem. Take a look at the following dogs they are the sable colour. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/120176.html http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/122775.html http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/133237.html

by Kougar on 26 October 2004 - 16:10

From the description, I do not think that this is a sable - grau - gray puppy....It sounds she is describing a puppy who has a smokey gray cast where the breeder would expect the puppy to be black. If this is true, then it is probably a dilute or blue puppy. I have seen an american style puppy in a local pet home who was odd smokey gray at 8 weeks, who grew up and was definitely a blue. Perhaps the "reddish" colored ones referred to are actually liver dilutes.

by kioanes on 26 October 2004 - 17:10

i would agree with kougar...probably a blue. often sable pups are more of a brownish color when born (often with black bits here & there) and darken as they get older. lestat is also right that one of the parents MUST be sable to produce sable pups. to produce a dilute (blue or liver) pup, both parents most likely carry a dilution factor.

by Makosh on 26 October 2004 - 17:10

Laura, was any of the parents gray? If not, than that is a blue pupy, just like Kougar said. A dog with such color cannot participate in shows. What kind of blodlines does your friend breed?

by DKiah on 26 October 2004 - 17:10

Yup, definitely sounds like a blue or a liver... I had one in a litter several years ago... of course it was the ONLY female puppy!!!She was born sort of a silvery blue gray. As she grew, she darkened and I have a picture of her side by side with her daddy and there is barely any difference, her coat looks a little dusty. Saw her a year or so ago and she was more of a silver and her tan was very very red... eerily striking but I don't know whether to call her blue or liver... at any rate she was a dilute and I was told years later in a passing conversation by another show lines breeder that if you breed them long enough, everyone gets them..... There was an AKC Champion years ago who was blue (way back) .... he was just a dull black....

by Laura on 26 October 2004 - 18:10

thanks everyone for replying. the puppy (male) was born last week and its brothers and sisters are, let's say, of normal colour, but this puppy is completely grey (or GRAU in German). It looks like a mouse. Both parents are also of normal colour, yellow with a black coat. My friend thinks that the ''problem'' (if it is a problem) may be found on the father's side, because he never used that male dog for mating before. And the other breeder, whom I mentioned in my original post, seems to get these grey puppies from time to time, and acording to him, they never get a black coat or any black colour on their body, but the grey colour turns into reddish nuances.

by Kougar on 26 October 2004 - 18:10

Yep - pretty sure that "mouse" color is going to be a blue...and I do think that both parents must carry the gene. If she produced it, she carries it as well...and he would do better to avoid that cross again and try to find a male next time of the lines he has used before. I never saw a liver in person, only a couple of blues - one from the local BYB sunday paper in a pet home as a puppy, and the other was from high lines as an adult...dusty is a good description. I am sure the pup will make a nice companion dog for someone [hopefully on non-breeding agreement/registration!] as I have read on many lists that there is no proof or reseach that links the color dilutes to any other problems. Dilute colors are really common in cat breeds and are normal.

by Laura on 26 October 2004 - 19:10

could you be so kind to explain these terms ''blue'' and ''liver'' in more detail?

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by PINERIDGE on 26 October 2004 - 19:10

LISTEN TO KOUGAR -- HE IS absolutely correct on every point. Blue's may have links to genetic (health) problems also - I don't know. Sable pups are born more brown sometime with a black stripe down their back. The mouse color is definitely faulty -- The Liver's are often a dark golden color with no black markings - the definitely have color linked heart problems !! I know a breeder who sold his liver puppy as a 'RARE GOLDEN SHEPHERD" for twice the money of the rest of the litter - and the poor unsuspecting people had a dead dog is less than 3 years -- The vet told the breeder to give the dog away and advise the people of the problems, but like any good money-hungry jerk they did the opposite and scammed unsuspecting people out of loads of money !! DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST !!! DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR !! VERIFY EVERYTHING !!





 


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