Sample video ffrom NASS 2005 - Page 1

There is a sample video which can be viewd at http://www.famtreasures.com/DogPages/2005NorthAMericanSiegerShow/2005NorthAmericanSiegerShow.htm Who is the first dog? And was he given "a" pronounced?

wow. what a shame. and we are seeing this more and more. why don't the show people want to breed harder dogs? i really think they better start breeding to v-rated working line dogs soon. or the show lines are just going to become pretty pets. not saying that there aren't a few good ones!!!! but that's about it, a few! it's becoming a joke to find a "REAL" show line dog that will protect you in real life. sorry if if anyone is offended, but the truth hurts

kimba, Unfortunately, you may not realize that many, perhaps most dogs, whether from working or show lines, will fail to protect an owner. The truth is people often use this fanciful idea of a dog protecting its' owner from an attack. Few people really have reason to fear being attacked and fewer have reason to have a dog who would attack and would be under control. If the person and the dog is not superbly trained, one is playing with fire when a dog is trained to protect. Most people assume their dog would protect; fortunately, most people never have to find out the dog would not. Just about every person who board their dog in my facility tells me their dog is very protective. The vast majority are simply ill-informed. That being said, I have several show line females that would eat someone who tried to attack me and who could have been police dogs. But I have worked hard to make sure they are always under control, well socialized, and obedient. I know a few working line dogs who I would not want to run into if I had some malicious intent, but I know plenty that would also not stand their ground. Making generalizations does nothing but continue to propagate misinformation. One must look at the individual dog, and how it has been trained as well as the command the owner has over the dog. I want to be sure that dogs I breed and raise are, first and foremost, social and safe in society. Because too many breeders sell dogs to the wrong people, we have a whole lot of breed specific legislation being proposed and in some cases passed in this country (USA). As well, in many states, try getting insurance on your home if you tell someone you have a certain breed of dog, or worse yet, are dumb enough to tell someone your dog is "attack" trained. I have a young college age friend who was in a college class recently and some one in the class asked to bring their GSD to class for "socialization" and then proceeded to tell everyone how the dog was an attack trained dog (it was supposedly in SchH training). This sad statement by someone who said they did Schutzhund and clearly knew nothing about the sport led to a host of misconceptions in the group that was present. Bottom line: there are show line dogs who are "real".

how can you throw a judgement against all showline dogs based on that lil sample? was there and the bitches were fantastic along with several males. you cant take one cornor of one lil show and attack the showlines thats just rude and im tired of it. I came from working rottweilers and yes to me alot of the work is weak but ya know what? It may be my personal tastes for a harder dog and better obedience and thats okay but i am not going to judge every single highlines dog off a SAMPLE video?

i didn't throw it against ALL show lines. i did say "that there are a few"

"Who is the first dog? And was he given "a" pronounced?" I have compared the above video with the one I took at NASS. The dog in question appears to be catalog number 1046, V-16 Zeb v Kirchenwald, SchH1, KKl1, "pronounced".

Thanks Louise, If the first dog in the sample video received pronounced, there is indeed a problem. I wouldn't blame the dog. The issue is with the breeders, trainers and judges who perpetuate this type of performance.

His littermate, Zeke, was VA at NASS and did much better bitework than he did at the 2005 USA Sieger Show in Carson City.

The Judge must have been a bigger coward then the dog. That kind of shit is just what this breed needs.

Hard to say where the problem lies. The dog's breeder/handler had multiple dogs to handle in bitework. Under these circumstances, it it must have been difficult to give these dogs one's undivided attention and to get both the handler and dogs prepared for flawless bitework. You will note that many breeders with numerous enties may have several dogs that fail either bitework or perform poorly at any type of Sieger Show. Must this be a calculated risk? On the other hand, when I enter my dog at one of these events, he is my ONLY dog to handle in bitework. He and I work as a TEAM and have excellent communication and confidence when we step onto the field for the performance test.