NINO'S STORY - Page 4

Please, we all know how this works. Richard you are obviously bias for Nino, you defend him here all the time, I talk impartially about the whole show. One requirement to being a Va is PRODUCTION-PROGENY, and IS NOT based on that day, is based of what the dogs have done before,their rankings, their production..Otherwise why was the show opened with Nino and Chacco in front ? YES, Pato had more energy than both Nino and Chacco, so why not put him VA1 ?..because Nino was going to be VA1 regardless. You see, you say this about Pato being better than Chacco, but not, Nino ?, both German VAs twice  that had competed around 30 times as adults under 20 some judges? That is respect that had to be paid, you can't just bring a dog that never show as an adult in Germany and put in front of either dog.

in the 2013 NASS was even worst, put the reginal director and the show host dog VA2 in front of other top dogs, a dog that was V40 at the BSZS , and handed out 26 trophies to this breeder, pretty much 1st and 2nd place in all categories.

a few of the females were taken out because of what was going on, even Nordsieck told some of owners take your female out,people that were at the end...ask around,of the females that were pulled.

yes,Blitzen, check owners of other dogs, connections to judges, WDA directors, USCA ,etc. look for it. And Yes,Blitzen, any dog can win any day, but a reputation from dogs being VA in Germany and 300 breedings is hard to beat, unless....Johanes dog didn't even pass bitework, ask people that were there, then he showed at the stand, and people were like what??...look at the videos, that's why he got V16, so nobody would complain.

the thing is, they want the sport to grow, but until they judge dogs on their actual merit, it will keep going down hill.

All this for a dog show win? Are you kidding me?

Blitzen, is not about a win, is about the constant irregularities; I didnt show, but some friends did. The thing is, take years to wait for that top prospect, then train, then compete and if you think is good enough? Look what happens even to proven dogs, how they play with the positions. Look at what happened in Germany, with Meyer and his corrupt years, why this past year was only VAs and no numbers. The same thing here, a lot of people in charge get their way regardless. We all know and accept it like " is what it is " , but shouldnt be.

like the Dr. Trying to tell us about why Nino was pulled, EVERYONE knew there would be no number rankings, so why you competed in the first place??

behind close doors owners/breeders are told what the position was going to be, so they pull their dogs if its not what they want AND saying what a good producer when everyone knows 90% of his progeny is oversize, weak ears, white on chest , light eyes, long pasterns, etc, but you still tell people how much you care about the breed ?!?

its not about Nino, others have their faults, but their owners are not breaking rules bringing dogs that wont compete at shows , rules that we ALL have to follow and a biased judge stopping competitions to talk about a substandard producer.

you know how much I will love and so other people, bring their dogs eventhough you cant show them.

But Ober, when the dust clears it's still just a dog show and the placements are done at the whim of the judge. Which dog/owner/handler wins the big one just isn't that big of a deal to people who really know the breed. They know which dogs are the best, they don't need a judge to tell them that. The smart breeders are not basing their breeding decisions on show placements. They are interested in seeing the top dogs in the sense that they are looking for the stud dog that will best compliment their brood bitch, not for the dog with the most wins, especially wins that were received under judges known to be political. Sorry, I think it's crazy to get so upset over a dog show loss or so inflated by a win. It's only one man's opinion on that day. Can't show at this show, he might not win; have to show at that show, the judge is good for him...gawd! What about showing your good dog so other can see him even if he's not going to go Va?

I guess the big name dogs sell the puppies; what a dumb reason to breed a litter. I truly do not get most GSD people and their goals .

I did a little asking around about Nino's production record and was told he is not known for producing over sized dogs. He is a great dog with an impeccible temperament and is an asset to the breed.  He was described to me as a very wonderful dog. 

No, I'm not gettng paid to say that, I don't plan to breed to him (or to any other GSD) and I'm not buying one of his puppies. I'm just trying to be fair by presenting another opinion from a knowledgable GSD person  (and that's not me either).

If you saw Pato compete at the USCA show you would understand why he placed VA 2. My friend Stephen Patch had him in amazing condition. Pato is an outstanding dog peoducing outstanding progeny and it was wonderful to compete in the show ring with the other dogs 

Pato's performance was flawless in St. Louis.  Judge willing, the crowd would have applauded a VA-1 for the dog.  At the same time, it was a treat to see Nino in action, even if he did seem to be resting on his laurels a bit.  Still, for me, Nino's placement over Pato was correct.  Nino has a much deeper career history and legacy than Pato (at this point in time). Bottom line, US breeder's have some really outstanding males to choose from.  Hopefully, breeding choices will be made on the basis of careful strenght/weakness analyses--not first, second or third placement in a Sieger Show.

Ober:

I actually feel sorry for you.  Your bitterness with everything that goes on in your own little realm of conspiracies in the dog show world must be a really taxing burden for you. You seem to read into every comment what you want that comment to say whether it is even close to what was actually said or not. You might try taking a deep breath or two, then relax and eat a really sour pickle. It might make you feel better about life in general.  

The VA-2 finished second and not third because he was better that day than the VA-3 dog. I don't know the owners of either of those dogs by the way. Nino finished first because he was the best dog in the entire show.

 ok  ihave many va1sons like pakros vegas and many other study dogs ihave 3males sons of nino all over size but this is advatge to me and ithink nino is very good producer because they have  impeccable temperament like  nino  when nino sold to usa we feel sad because it is not easy to get nino progeny from nino from usa ithink nino and his sons will do change in gs dog one day  about some fault of nino progeny all va1 dogs have faults and some people like pizza with chicken other like it with meat what rules?rules and standers changes every day our goal to produce good dogs what the faults if the dog is 68 cm with good hip and very nice temperament nice colour big head is  is mean this is not good dog we are dogs lover idont care if my dognot get va1 if me and other think it is good dog good producer some business  may affect the breed we cant control some things but faults may ocur but all we trying to impove the breed  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1353327-santos-vom-bitburger-land    my nice long hair son of nino