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by HOWDEDO on 06 December 2004 - 06:12
The previous thread is getting difficult to open, so I am opening a new one.
I now have another question - Why is it a big deal if the dog has a moderate east-west front on stance? I don't mean bad elbows - just the pasterns. Wouln't the dog be more balanced if he is slightly east-west on stance? This would definitely turn to parallel when he starts moving and would actually start turning in to enable a single track when the dog breaks into an extended trot?
by Kerry on 06 December 2004 - 08:12
Hi Howdedo,
If the feet are east-west in movement, how can it have a ground covering gait without a praiseworthy front reach coordinating with the power from the rear angulation? I'll email a picture of a dog gaiting with east-west front, not mine.
:) K
by Shantha on 06 December 2004 - 09:12
If you try walking and running with east west feet yourself you will know how difficult it is to maintain balance. In working dogs this sort of feet I understand is a big no-no.
Now get on to your fours and keep your hands east west and crawl, then move faster, then try doing a jump- by jove watch the faceand your teeth. My ...says you will need a dentist!!!!
Jokes apart balance suffers when feet are east west.
by patrishap on 06 December 2004 - 09:12
Hi Howdedo,
No, no. Parallel and straight seen from front. As per Standard. Only consider with dog in forward motion.
Regards.
by Charisma on 06 December 2004 - 12:12
Howdedo- An incorrect front is very difficult to breed
out,If I read your post correctly, you say slightly
east west, I know many dogs like this, who work and
have done endurances, I think in severe cases
it could hammper the dogs mobility...so if the
purpose of the dog is to do 12 hrs a day working shifts
it could be a problem..
I did notice in Germany they were penalising dogs
for this and placing them much lower so the focus
seems to be on this, I am not sure how bad
this fault has become...
perhaps someone who travels to shows through the year
could comment here..:)
by Gem on 06 December 2004 - 12:12
in some of the pictures Larus stands east west, it depends on the quality of the shepherd and the judges thoughts on the problem. its looked at in the overall structure of the shepherd and those in the ring. along with east west stance can come weak pasterns.
by HOWDEDO on 06 December 2004 - 17:12
My god - I did not realize how poor my ability to express in english is!!!I meant slightly east west on STANCE - ie while dog is standing!!!
Notice how you guys stand, or how your car's wheels stand when it is parked. If your toes are straight, you will start getting a pain up your legs soon. When you start moving, your feet will become straight .
Hope it is clear now - if not, I will try calling one of you and explaining and then let you post my point.
by Gem on 07 December 2004 - 07:12
the standard calls for the front straight when comming toward you, that can be read in any language.
call me, I don't understand what you see or want others to agree with.
by HOWDEDO on 07 December 2004 - 07:12
Gem, check your mail. If talking over phone is an option, let me know your number and I can call you.
Also, note that I have no intention to make everyone agree to my comment. I am just putting forward my observation as a hypothesis - feel free to disprove it.
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