YOUNG ADULT GSD WONT MATE TWICE !!!! - Page 1

Hello everyone, I have a beautiful showline Gsd son of Leo Zenteiche almost 2.5 years old. He is perfectly healthy but the problem is that he won't mate the same female twice.
Bring a new one and bang no problem but same one he just won't mate twice. It's become a problem as females are not conceiving because we don't have exact dates here so the norm is to get them mated at least twice.
Pl help.

Nobody has "exact dates" anywhere; even progesterone testing can only give you guidance - the best guide is the bitch herself. If you do the first mating either spot on time, or even a little too late in her oestrus, she may very well be giving off subtle signals to the dog that she does not want him to mate her any more. Many male Shepherds are 'gentlemen' and listen to the ladies ! If you yourself are repeating the same, ie late, error with different bitches, this may explain getting a repeated problem. Having said that, he's not exactly an elder, experienced stud, so how many bitches have you brought to him before deciding that he has a problem ?

Did any of the females concieve yet?
How often do you ask him to breed?
There could be several reasons -
like Hundmutter mentioned the females could be "over the time",
he could be a lazy breeder ( 2 days later another breeding may be too much for him)
some days/weeks later he "recovered" - that´s your "bang"
...

I've had three litter s with him. We give a gap of one day in between. I think he must have mated 8 females by now.

And he has done exactly what you described, with all eight females ?

Did you get a tie on every occasion, and did that go smoothly ?

Is he normally sociable with females, or does he have little contact with them (except when presented for mating) ?

No he the ones that conceived were mated multiple times. Yes we get a tie on every occasion by sociable I guess he is he smells a lot he licks then loses interests. I can't say if he's sociable with females when they are not in heat.

I do not attribute human traits to dog behavior....breeding is one of the drives of a dog. As the breed has weakened in many capacities, so has it in sex drive. This does indicate vitality in the drive to me.

What do you mean, you can't say ? You either allow him opportunities to run with out-of-season females, or you never do, and therefore have no knowlege of how he behaves around them.

He either does this "every time" he's presented with a bitch to mate, or he has just recently started doing it (or, rather, failing to do it). [You said: "The problem is he won't mate the same female twice."]

As your OP didn't give much detail, that is why I asked for further, possibly related, information.

 

As Susie said, he might just have been knackered / not up to breeding fitness to start with, on these last X occasions; or as Gustav says, he may just not have enough of a sex drive (although that sounds less the case, given that he has not always been the same way.)

I am not being anthropomorphic, btw - I have known dogs so keen they didn't give a monkeys whether a bitch was welcoming or not, they just charged in there; and dogs who were extremely sensitive to the messages they got from the females, and would back off if all was not 'hunky-dory'.  I was not drawing any conclusions as to which was the 'better' stud.

Add to this the possibility that during a tie, or the release of a tie, there was some accidental discomfort (or even psychological disturbance - smells, noises, appearence of strange humans, etc), your dog - while keen as mustard to get on with the job - associates some problem with 'going in for seconds' and has become hesitant, latterly, once the initial urge is satisfied with that female.

Or - and this would perhaps have been a bit more relevant if he was only on his second or third mating - not being able/allowed to relate to females in general MIGHT have set up some uncertainty in him, about bitches in general.  (Some can behave quite nastily towards a dog, even when 'ready'.)

 

Just trying to think outside the box.

HUNDMUTTER, thank u so much for trying to help I really appreciate it.
Let me explain again. With some females he would mate twice but with majority he would only mate once. He has always tied and never felt any discomfort.
I think susie might be right when she said that he could be a lazy breeder.
Can I give him something to change that ?

I am not convinced this is a dog problem yet. Perhaps he is breeding them once in his excitement, but won't again because the timing isn't right?

I had dog dog this once. Bred the bitch immediately upon exposure, then not again for several days. Had I not brought the stud to my home, I would have likely missed the breeding because I'd have not had access any longer. Just as I was about to give up (it had been an odd heat cycle in terms of timing anyway), he bred her again, and 3 times after that, when I allowed the dogs to decide for themselves when the right time was. I had all the same questions- is this because he's not used to other dogs (he's not), is it because he's in a strange place (he was), etc. etc. But it didn't add up; this is a powerful dog with strong nerves. So, I let nature take its course and he eagerly bred her repeatedly on different days. I truly believe the first tie was out of excitement and opportunity, and the presence of my other male. Let the novelty wear off, and he cared more about the timing.

All went well.