BSZS bitework helpers - Page 1

In viewing the bitework in person, it disturbed me to watch the helpers giving special treatment to some dogs. Don't get me wrong, I think the helpers were very good and very talented and did a good overall job. BUT, is it not in the rules, in the attack out of the blind while foosing, that the helper is supposed to remain hidden until the judge signals them?!! What I saw many times, was the helper in plain view and even banging the stick on the side of the blind!!! Not hiding like he should have been. To me, this means several things... The dog does not have either the courage to handle a sudden attach, and/Or the dog had so little drive that it needed to be stimulated to try get him to bite. The owner paid the helper to cheat. The judge ignored it. All of which are appaulling to me! If the helper did that to my dog, it would take every ounce of fortitude the dog has, to stay with me. He would be thinking.... the helper is calling me! I must go!! lol Someone correct me if I am wrong about the rules. Another side note.... The funniest thing I saw ( don't remember which bitch it was)was a bitch had failed the bite work with syle. THe judge announced to all that she had failed and did not have the bite drive and courage present. The judge then handed the handler the "walking papers" and the bitch promptly jumped up and bit his arm!! Badly enough that he needed some attention. I assume she broke the skin. LOL That is too funny!!! Not for the judge, but just the cercumstances. Debby

I don't know the rules but good for her LOL !!! Reminds me of a helper I cosulted with once who promtly put down my dog {while still in his bite command } and the helper put his arm down,sleeve on and my dog bit him in the stomach! I was so proud of him. It wasn't a bad bite but got the helpers attention. He was not doing Sch work so is expected to bite anything presented I have heard alot of what you are describing happens but first hand I can't speak from.

So Debby, you are saying that some owners paid the helpers and the judge ignored it? That is a pretty strong accusation which you are making here on the open board for everybody to read. I hope that you are prepared to back that up with hard evidence. Be advised that this messageboard is read by a lot of people from Germany, too. If you are just assuming when it must be "carelessness" or "poor choice of wording". Either way, please clarify. Thank you. Chris

Silbersee- It is just a list of possible options as to why this went on. It is forsure that the judge did not correct the situation. It is also for sure that it should not have gone on, whatever the reason!!!!!!!!!!!! I certainly know that there are Germans on this board as well as, people from China, India, Africa, England, Australia, Italy, France, and probably every other nation of the world. So??? When something is not right it should be addressed. Period. OR do you think that is is ok for the rules to be blatetently and selectively broken?!!!! Those who remain silent do nothing to help the breed. In fact, they are partners in lowering breed standards. Debby

I am with you on this Chris. Pretty strong statement. The helpers are on rotation. Very often they cannot even see who is coming next. Funny thing? What exactly is funny about getting bit? I think some people here need a bit of an attitude adjustment and reality check! It may look funny until the day that YOU are at the receiving end! I have been (11 years old, yes by a GSD) and there is NOTHING funny about that. The bitches owner should have been in better control. What kind of a reaction is that to smirk or giggle or laugh at the fact of a dog biting when not supposed to, and a person getting bitten when not expecting to? Quite frankly when stuff like that happens, such a dog deserves an immideate U rating, not a T rating. And the person laughing at such matters as well! gsdlvr2, I find it rather disturbing that you apparently need a testosterone enhancer at the end of your leash!! The dog is never "still on bite command" when he is not being agitated or in the biting process. The moment the arm goes down, the threat stops, there is no agitation, the dog HAS TO STOP!!! If you were personally agitated by the helper's comments such as putting your dog down (not sure if that is what you meant but that is what it sounds like), the dog may well have reacted because of your reaction to the helpers comments. And may well bite the next person that p*sses you off because you give signals you are not aware of but your dog picks up very easily. Nothing to be proud of. Stuff like that will be the cause one day why we will no longer be allowed to have SchH sport, or the GSD will make it on the dangerous dog list. Pathetic!

I have heard talk from people who honestly believe that a helpers job is to "help" the dog, for example by generous sleeve presentation, etc. I do not believe that this extends to advance warning of a "surprise attack", however, any dog that has spent sufficient time on a Schh field cranks it up a notch when he/she sees a blind. It also goes without saying that if the judge felt that any impropriety had occurred, he might choose to have a few candid words with the helper rather than creating a public spectacle and disrupting the testing.

D.H, I am with you on most of it. However I believe GSD IS on the "dangerous dog list". Also that reference to the helper taking a belly bite was clearly not Schh.

D.H. with all due respect, what you are saying is true in Schutzund, that isn't what we were doing. I was not upset with the helper either. thank you for your input. In this case the dog was in command. We were doing civil work and the helper knew that as well. He said he made a mistake and admitted that.

Hi Debbie! I have seen that "funny" female ,too. She did not have enough courage to engage the helper but she did bite the judge on the owners leash then the judge handed the paperwork in a friendly manner. We call that "fearbiter".Two reason to not breed this female. The helpers get drawed and rotate .So it¿s not possible to pick the helper you want anymore. And to pay all the twelve helper¿s might be to difficult. Also I know most of this guy¿s personnaly and they are not attached to the "show" business.So they mostly don¿t even know the dog¿s or owner¿s who are coming on the field. Very best reagrds Terry

It looks to me most likely a difference of opinion or understanding of proceedures.