Stud dog production in the US??? - Page 6

Interesting topic guys. Like most topics we go off on a tangent. This topic is about the stud but the choice of breeding females are important. How can you say the stud is producing well without concidering the female that helped produce the progeny. You have to have a good size sample of females to say whether the stud is producing well on all levels of criteria. The stud may produce well with one female and not so well with another female. So whose fault is it if the litter does not turn out as expected? That is the reason why you need a large number of breedings over several years to make a more informed decision. Everyone is partial to their stud of choice. How many breeders have said their stud does not produce well? Just because a dog placed well in Major competitions does not make him a good producer. I personally would rather use a stud that I have observed training than in a trial video. Nothing tests a dog like an attack out of the blind or a short track into the woods to find a fleeing suspect. I like schutzhund and train schutzhund. Trials do not show how a dog reacts to a man without a sleeve. This you can test and observe in training. VHK nice pups. I to like to train my young dogs in grip work. There is another list that claims training a young dog in grip work is wrong. I like how the helper works him in a little defence then switches drives.Done correctly this is good. Done poorly imprint bad feelings for the work. Other factors not concidered for quality of progeny; How many went to working homes? What is hip production? How many trainers are capable of training to high sport? Saying a young dog looks nice and is doing well at 6 months. Is not the same as noting the accomplishments of an adult titled dog. Schutzhund is a breeding suitablity test. Judged correctly it is a good barometer. Judged incorrectly (parking lot trials)it is detriment to the breed. Kyle

So old woman Benja had 13 demons from Ellute huh? WOW!!! Should be interesting seeing those grow up I've got to agree on the statement made about knowing months to a year or two on the quality of the breeding. If you see some consistency this early from several litters from Stud "A" it could be said that he is producing well especially if bred to multiple females with similar results. Same goes for "Stud B". If he is consistently producing lower drive pups with little canididacy for sport or work then it could be determined after several breeding that he is not among the nice producing studs. Yes different pups mature at different rates but by the time these pups start getting work, you'll typically see an increase in drive and stronger potential for work versus a decline. Also some of the other comments had a lot of merit. For some of the progeny of these studs to make it to "higher level" trials then it will take several years. I think Zidane was one of the youngest dogs reaching that level although it's not unheard of before 3 but not as likely.

EXCELLENT DIALOGUE! THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO BE A LOVER OF THIS GREAT BREED!

Grisco von den rauhen Sitten placed 6th in the FCI qualifiers and qualified for the competition before he was three years old. He got scores of A 93, B 92, and C 94. I just imported a Crok 2-3 SchH1 bitch bred to him and I am hoping for great puppies next week. Veronica

Of course, sigh...he's not in the US.