"Nice 4 mths old male Shepherd - pet/working/show" - Page 4

No diferent than from the dwarf post. I am always amazed at what some people try to sell. Must be A Rare one! Least let's hope so...

OK for one GSDFan, I do not have his pedigree here,As I have not gotten it yet...BUT his Grandparents all the way back to the 4th-5th generation are ALL titled in something,Whether it be,Schutzhund,obedience,agility,S&R ect,MOST if not all have had their hips/elbows and temperment tested..So yes the people breeding them have something to show and just are NOT in it for Money!! But on the top of my head this dog is his grandsire http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/279451.html So yes,He has some "well known dogs" in his pedigree.. When I get a chance to get his pedigree on here I will be sure to post it... ALso The post or ad that I posted was for his BROTHER,NOT him..He is blk/red/tan in color,whom i took because the original owner could NOT handle him.. Ohh and for anyone who wants to come and see him in person and see for yourself that he is NOT at all fearful or has a "crappy" temperment as someone put it feel free....Also feel free to test his workability while your at it!! And just to make everyone Clear I am NOT the breeder of these puppies so NO I am NOT tryin' to make a dollar on anything!!!

Oh my God!!! I just saw this dog in your ad....I'm sure he's a great dog ...but c'mon .. In your ad you state Nice Conformation...nice big head? huh....what are you talking about. And you really have started him on (Rag Work)?......Well, at least both testicles are down. Siabon

I too, am curious as to the name of the schutzhund club where you are training this panda dog. Is this a USCA or WDA club?

"ALso The post or ad that I posted was for his BROTHER,NOT him..He is blk/red/tan in color" If you were selling his "brother" not him, then why not post a pic of the one for sale? If you claim he was black and tan that wouldent be considered a panda shepherd correct? Your ad clearly states "16 week old male PANDA SHEPHERD" "Prefer not to hear a bunch of anti- Panda crap!" Its obvious to everyone that you are trying to sell the puppy. You are changing your story everytime someone questions you. Why not be honest?? Yes he is a cute puppy, arent they all? But he does NOT fit to the GSD standard, and should NOT have full reg.!! AKC dosent even reconize Panda Shepherds! If you want to keep him as a pet, fine..Do whatever you want with him tracking, agility, SAR, any mix breed dog can do that, and the best of luck with you and him. My point is, that you are lying to everyone here and you were trying to sell that dog. I also would like to know the name of the schutzhund club you take him to. If you never took him to one, just say you dident and leave it at that! Ok however it works out, hope the dog gets a good him with someone who loves and cares for him and more importantly gets him neutered! -Andrea

Unfortunately, I've learned the hard way that ANYONE can make up a pedigree...both on here and with AKC!!! So it would seem that they should mean very little, IMO. However, this dog looks like my dad's Aust. Shepherd!! WHY, OH WHY would anyone want a dog that they have to PROVE to the public eye is a purebred!!! I understand that most of the uneducated public does not understand the different "acceptable" color ranges of the GSD, and are going to ask questions. I just love telling people that my Solid Black male is actually a Standard Poodle, when they ask what he's mixed with! LOL Here is Gouri's pedigree/pic: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/496557.html But none-the-less, I have to be clear and calm, and remember that it's must be my job to educate them. Not sure WHEN that pic was taken...but that is NOT a big head dog. (ignore the date on Gouri's pic, camera was not set right. Pics were just taken this weekend) Gouri is now over 6 mo old, but have pics of him at 4 mo, and head is almost just as big as it is now!!! THAT IS A BIG HEAD DOG!!! I'm sure his size is "unacceptable" to some, and that's fine. :-) I have to give you credit, is some way. Atleast, if it is the litter mate you are trying to sell, you are honest that the "panda" gene is there. And it's a good thing that you are not selling him to anyone here, because with that gene knowledge, I'm sure most here would not buy him anyway.

This is just like all of the white shepherd enthusiasts claiming they are producing examples of Max's ideal GSD and pawning them off to idiot American buyers as potential Schutzhund dogs. Couldn't work their way out of a wet paper bag. Lies, lies, lies, and it's all about your pocketbook. So YOU CUT THE CRAP, we're all here looking out for the breed and pieces of crap like you are contributing to its demise. Gee, Is it striking a nerve with you Sunsilver? Making you mad? Are you starting to GET how mad *we* get at idiots like you? Of course not. You don't care. If you're too stupid or kennel blind to be critical of a fearful puppy...wow...that's beyond bad. A fearful or weary pup would have its butt back on a plane to the breeder. Don't need that crap on the ground. I'm really interested in hearing about that club you supposedly took him too, even more interested in seeing a fearful pup's full and calm grips. Knock off the bullsh*t or go spew it somewhere else. No one here is going to pat you on the head for what you're doing. Panda shepherds....*gag*

Malingator, I call them as I see them. A pup that's fine with kids and other dogs, but wary of strangers sounds exactly like the sort of temperment we want in a GSD. Notice, she said WARY, as in standoffish, aloof. That doesn't mean he was hiding behind her legs! You know, I put up with this sort of crap when I was showing horses. People were always picking holes in other people's performances and animals, just badmouthing them for the sake of making themselves feel better about their own 'wonderful' animals. I fully understand that you DO NOT LIKE PANDAS, and I agree, they should not be given full registration. But that does NOT mean this dog is a totally worthless piece of crap. You've never met the dog: you're judging it by colour alone. Gee, I wonder if you judge people the same way? Look at the assinine comments you've made about me, without hardly knowing me at all: 'idiot' 'kennel blind'! What a joke...I don't even HAVE a kennel! Who was it that said the GSD was, above all else, to be a WORKING dog? Guess we forgot that, eh? I used to take great delight in winning show ribbons with grade horses, against fancier registered stock. I hope if BxrNGSD2007 puts a Schutzhund title on this dog, he/she comes back here and flaunts it in your face! As for pandas being fakes and not real GSD's, who knows what is lurking in the genome? Many different breeds went into the making of the GSD, the foundation dogs were NOT purebreds. There is also the possibility of a spontaneous mutation happening. I am quite willing to believe these dogs ARE purebred GSD's, as long as the DNA tests have been done to prove it.

Bottom line this pup should not be "sold" as a SchH prospect, period. His parents do not have SchH titles (if they did she would have mentioned it by now) and who knows how many generations back do have them. Sure a dog that is not from titled parents is capable of succeeding in SchH but considering how many pups FROM titled parents do not cut it I'd go out on a limb and say that it would be rare for one to excell that didn't. There are people out there who have very little knowledge of the breed and these are the people these "Panda breeders" are preying on. I'm sorry but I pitty the person who purchases this SchH prospect and walks into a club with it. If she's found a club that accepts it, good for her, its a club full of saints. The nicest club to newbies and non-workingline GSD's around here I don't think would even be cool with a Panda. Hell Shelley might even pity this person who purchased a Panda for a SchH prospect that she'd give the poor person a real GSD pup for free. lol. I don't think Bxr would have gotten half the critisizms if she didn't try pushing this pup as a show/breeding/schutzhund prospect. Sell it for what it is A PET that should be fixed. Quit trying to re-invent the wheel, we have enough varieties of GSD's, there's a written standard in place for a reason. What if a GSD pup is born with pink polka dots, should we try making more of those too? c'mon!!

I daresay he/she wouldn't have posted that ad here (as a JOKE) if there hadn't already been a lengthy thread here bashing Pandas. Kind of invited it, didn't we?