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by Shtal on 21 March 2011 - 03:03
Let me explain something, when Mikhail Gorbachev made contract aggrement with Ronald Reagan to let Christians come to United States, the aggrement was ONLY made to allow people to live in United States territory, the aggrement was never meant for people to live in White House of the United States.
King James Version John 14:2
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
King James Version 2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Any person who does wicked things in his life and at the end of his life - he ask God for forgiveness from all his heart, God will forgive him and save him by letting this person to live on his (God's) territory in heaven, but it does not mean he will be in the Kingdom of God (White house) where God sits on throne, you would have to qualify for such privilege to be next to God and see his glory all the time.
Not every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God.
You can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God.
This will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and also spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs help for survival.
King James Version John 14:2
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
King James Version 2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Any person who does wicked things in his life and at the end of his life - he ask God for forgiveness from all his heart, God will forgive him and save him by letting this person to live on his (God's) territory in heaven, but it does not mean he will be in the Kingdom of God (White house) where God sits on throne, you would have to qualify for such privilege to be next to God and see his glory all the time.
Not every person who is already saved will enter the kingdom of God.
You can have a living faith in salvation and at the same time have a DEAD FAITH IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Because salvation in faith has their own deeds and salvation in Kingdom also has their own deeds and you could have deeds for salvation but may not have deeds to enter the kingdom of God.
This will show you the DIFFERENCE between salvation and the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
King James Version Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
King James Version 2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
King James Version Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
King James Version Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 25:34-36
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Salvation you receive as a gift but the kingdom you earn by your deeds and also spending your personal money to feed, give drink, to dress and etc to any human who needs help for survival.
by Shtal on 21 March 2011 - 03:03
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church - sinner had to be betray (deliver) to Satan in order for him (this person) to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul did NOT worried (cared) about their salvation that much - as compare what he did with the fornicator "this person".
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevented them for their salvation, but it did prevented the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Hebrews 12:16-17
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
King James Version Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
From these scriptures it is clear that (fornication) fornicated person can be saved, but the letter to Hebrews and Ephesians, we see that the (fornication) fornicated person will not have an inheritance in the kingdom of God.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version 1 Corinthians 1:4-8
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; 5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; 6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If in Corinthians church - sinner had to be betray (deliver) to Satan in order for him (this person) to be saved, then it is clear that other church members get saved without any penalties despite their many flaws. Paul did NOT worried (cared) about their salvation that much - as compare what he did with the fornicator "this person".
Quarrels and disagreements did not prevented them for their salvation, but it did prevented the entrance of the kingdom of God.
King James Version Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
by Shtal on 21 March 2011 - 03:03
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can (could) get saved wihtout sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows - you cannot (Not Possible)...
King James Version Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
King James Version 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 18:3
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
King James Version Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT SALVATION
King James Version Acts 13:47-49
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
WHAT IS SAYS ABOUT THE KINGDOM
King James Version Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
You can (could) get saved wihtout sorrows, but to enter the kingdom of God without sorrows - you cannot (Not Possible)...
by Ruger1 on 21 March 2011 - 05:03
Shtal...
This interpretation of scripture is simply outlandish.....
Very unorthodox ......
I am not sure what the purpose of these threads are???
This interpretation of scripture is simply outlandish.....
Very unorthodox ......
I am not sure what the purpose of these threads are???
by The Bird on 21 March 2011 - 06:03
@Shtal
Huh? Are you saying god has an old boys club? Only the elite hang with god? Never heard of any such nonsense.
Huh? Are you saying god has an old boys club? Only the elite hang with god? Never heard of any such nonsense.
by Mindhunt on 21 March 2011 - 07:03
The difference between blind faith and intelligent faith
by Shtal on 21 March 2011 - 08:03
King James Version 1 Corinthians 2:11-15
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
The Bird,
You asked a question on another thread about going to heaven, I thought you really wanted to learn, but I guess I was wrong - your were simply harassing people.
I'm wasting my time on this forum....
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
The Bird,
You asked a question on another thread about going to heaven, I thought you really wanted to learn, but I guess I was wrong - your were simply harassing people.
I'm wasting my time on this forum....
by beetree on 21 March 2011 - 13:03
Yes, you are quite insufferable while you are at it, too. Go ahead, take a break.
by Shtal on 21 March 2011 - 16:03
Hi!
I honestly from all of my heart trying to help people as much as I understand scriptures,
but sometimes I may be difficult with people because of their ignorance and mocking Bible which raises my spirit to defend the word of God.
It's just I realize that some people like to hear the word of God and some people don't.
Take Care,
From Shtal :)
I honestly from all of my heart trying to help people as much as I understand scriptures,
but sometimes I may be difficult with people because of their ignorance and mocking Bible which raises my spirit to defend the word of God.
It's just I realize that some people like to hear the word of God and some people don't.
Take Care,
From Shtal :)
by gouda on 21 March 2011 - 17:03
Hi stahl
Concerning MATT.7:21 I believe you are mistaken,because in verse 23 Jesus says, And then I will profess unto them,I never knew you:depart from me,ye that work iniquity.
Jesus would not have said that to them if they were saved. Jesus knows all of the saved,would you not agree.
Concerning MATT.7:21 I believe you are mistaken,because in verse 23 Jesus says, And then I will profess unto them,I never knew you:depart from me,ye that work iniquity.
Jesus would not have said that to them if they were saved. Jesus knows all of the saved,would you not agree.
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