Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms (political debate) - Page 1

To my understanding from a previous thread that the the government in Illinois doesn't give their their rightfull tax paying USA citizens the right to bear arms in public while in other states, Florida in partcular; http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html has a Concealed Weapon or Firearm Program.

Discuss your views about it.

Have no information concerning the previous thread. And not sure of your understanding but by reading your post there might be a misunderstanding on your behalf, (not being mean) but the Second Amendment does not give a citizen the right to carry a weapon in public. Second Amendment pertains to "Protecting an individual's right to posses a firearm unconnected to the militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self defense within the home." No more no less. When a state amends, say the states that allow a CCW or even Texas, non-concealed we are now talking of something different.  

Here in Wa. where I live you go to the sheriffs office or police dept., fill out app. and if you are not a fellon you can get a conceiled weapons permit. The fee was 60.00 bucks, I'm not sure if it went up or not. I believe a us citizen should be allowed to carry in any state as long as they have a clean record, and no traceable mental problems. I guarantee you every drug dealer and gang banger carries, and are smart enough not to register guns or get a carry permit as the cops have access to this info from DMV. When they pull you over they know if you have a carry permit, They always ask you if you have one loaded when they pull you over. It's not law abiding citizens causing the problems, it's the bad guys.
Hank

I hear you Hank, some of my "dreams/wishes" are that judges are former police officers and we should go back to the days of "Starsky & Hutch" and "Kojak". Just put the ole bubble up on top. That way the perps and scumbags would never know if a cop is right next to them..........

Rights are also denied in WI and DC.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

I guess WI allows open carry, where DC and IL forbid it.

I hate politics and politicians... but when we get on a subject like this I have to ask; Are we talking about the same thing?
I read a little of the www.handgunlaw.us and in my eyes it appears the two individuals are talking of three things; 2nd Amendment, the right to carry a concealed weapon and the responsibility to take a pro-active position in our personal defense.

One needs to remember the 2nd Amendment, the words themselves, the time it was written. Our forefathers were not politicians, they were farmers, bankers, teachers, business owners and so on. Individuals who could face death for what they were doing or attempting to do. IMO, time, mentalities and individuals have misconstrued the true meaning and interpretations of The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. My first job once arriving to Maryland was to work at The National Archives in D.C. protecting the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. The information at hand was astronomical and their library on the visitor's side had a wealth of information also.

Some states, (can't remember all of them) but they are governed by "Common Law" the law of the old time, and others are governed by something different. D.C. is not a STATE and that is why they are different and fall under their own, (I would think since the President and everything our Country is made up of is there, so to speak, that could be part of the reason also.)

That is why I questioned the OP's statement. We're talking of other things than just the 2nd Amendment here.

So, are you saying every citizen should have the right to bear muzzle loading flintlock action firearms?  Personal defense is a natural born right, not just a legal right.  The "tools" of survival have changed, but the threats are no less imminent in our lives now as they were then.  "Some" politicians still come from backgrounds as farmers, bankers, teachers, business owners and so on.

My first adult life job was an assignment with the Old Guard, the US Army's presidential honor guard, among whose duties it is to protect the capitol and White House in time of national emergency.  From my experience, there certainly was no shortage of gun crime in DC, only defenseless citizens.  People who, if not denied their right, could still be alive today.

First D,

I'm not here to split hairs with you.

Second, I totally agree with everything you just typed, last post.

But the OPs original comment probably needs clarification. One is not the same as the other. That is my point. We are commenting on many things in this thread NOT JUST the 2nd Amendment.