RSV2000 Comes To Florida - Page 2

Richard, the key wording in the USCA bylaws prohibit a USCA club from belonging to a competing US organization. RSV 2000 global has not set up an organization here in the US, it only has member clubs. There does not appear to be any violation according to the letter of the USCA bylaws. There would be a problem if RSV2000 Global set up a national organization here. Some in the WDA have also been playing with RSV 2000.

Markobytes:

Thanks for the clarification.  I suppose it is possible for RSV2000 clubs to exist in this country without any regional or national supporting organization domestically. If Raiser's organization begins registering dogs born in this country would that be considered a competing organization? If they begin appointing, ordaining or licensing judges, regional directors,  breed wardens and/or koermeisters in this country, would that then be considered a competing organization?.

As to your comment about some WDA members playing with RSV2000, I am not surprised. I see that continuing and likely increasing as situations evolve within the WDA.

 

GSDStudent:

You might want to consider that a duck swimming in a pond with a turtle may have a short life.  That is especially true if that turtle happens to be one of the snapping type.

What trialing events is RSV2000 offering within the United States? 

Is it just IPO1-3, BH and AD at this time? 

What about FH, RH, HGH and the StP? 

How do they handle parentage testing dealing with the existing DNA stock held by the SV?  Generatio won't let anyone use the stored DNA profiles, other than the SV.

Who accepts RSV2000 scorebooks in the USA?

How does RSV2000 certify helpers?

How are RSV2000 judges provided for USA clubs?

Since RSV2000 is FCI, does that mean the AKC must accept pedigrees issued by them?

The website is a mess, all I see is a link to the usual FCI IPO rules and they have zero info on the few clubs that bothered to join them from the USA.

If any one has question they are free to contact me personally. I will not feed the trolls here any longer.

I look at RSV2000 the same as I look at Czech dogs and Zvv/Svv. I have imported many Czech dogs with Zvv title that is not recognized by SV. BUT, the dog is trained, is GS, is recognized by FCI by registry, and if I want to play in SV backyard then I just convert the papers and start with IPO one. It's really no problem. 

I will not feed the trolls here any longer.

-Riven

Yes, Riven, asking administrative rules questions about RSV2000 is trolling.  It was you that started this thread, did you not expect administrative rules questions as a result?

 

Were you authorized to represent your local club, as one unwilling to clarify rules questions proposed by the public?

Is your personal stance on refusing to answer administrative rules questions, shared by your parent clubs board of directors?

I doubt that it is and certainly not from a club whom put out cattle-calls for new members recently:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=790197-black-water-hundesport-looking-for-new-members

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/events-club-info/448641-black-water-hundesport-looking-new-members.html

http://messages394.rssing.com/chan-6328726/all_p136.html

Are you insinuating that new potential members cannot ask your club questions of this nature?

 

Again, please do your best to answer the questions you can, so we can ALL understand how RSV2000 fits into the existing framework for clubs offering FCI events in North America.

-What trialing events is RSV2000 offering within the United States? 

-Is it just IPO1-3, BH and AD at this time? 

-What about FH, RH, HGH and the StP? 

-How does RSV2000 handle DNA parentage testing, when dealing with the existing DNA profiles held by the SV?  Its is my understadning that Generatio will not let anyone use the stored DNA profiles, other than the SV.

-Who accepts RSV2000 scorebooks in the USA?

-How does RSV2000 certify helpers?

-How are RSV2000 judges provided for USA clubs?

-Since RSV2000 is FCI, does that mean the AKC must accept pedigrees issued by them?

The AKC and the CKC (Canada) both accept the RSV 2000 registration papers. 

For Momo:

http://www.rsv2000.de/en/news/announcements/breeding/akc-akzeptiert-rsv2000-at.html

Outside of Germany no RSV pedigrees.
There trials still base on FCI IPO rules, that said they should be able to offer any title mentioned within IPO rules, but I don´t know, if they do so in reality.
They certify their own helpers and judges ( but careful, for international acknowledgement the judge needs to be FCI certified, too ).
They offer there own DNA program, right now not connected to SV.

I hope I am right - I´m not the expert in RSV2000.

Kind regards,
Susie

Thanks for that info susie, how would a VDH-issued Anerkennung work (international recognition) in theory for a RSV2000 pedigree submitted to the AKC?

RSV2000 is acknowledged by VDH, so there should be no problem.
It´s a young club, the other clubs like AKC are not sure about the guidelines yet, that´s why they said "in case".

Maybe they will ask for a "Bescheinigung" from VDH similar to the Bescheinigung of SV. We will see.