Biblical numbers game :) - Page 6

Hi YR so happy to see you back here.

   

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Introduction by Dr. Keith L. Brooks

One of the most remarkable occurrences in our time is God's preparation of one individual to produce positive evidence that would completely undermine all Biblical criticism and bring atheism toppling to the ground wherever honest, thinking men will face the facts.
More startling still is the fact that this individual was a converted Russian Nihilist, a Harvard scholar, and a mathematician.  At the very time when organized atheism was laying its plan to get control of Russia and make use of its vast resources to sow the seeds of atheism in every nation of the earth, God was preparing His Russian, Ivan Panin, to bring forth scientific evidence of the verbal and plenary inspiration of the holy Scriptures in the original languages.
Dr. Panin, who passed away in October, 1942, after 50 years of work on Bible numerics, was not the first to discover that there was a strange mathematical structure running through the Bible.  There was Browne in his Ordo Saeculoreum,and Grant in his Numbers of the Bible and Bullinger in his Numbers of the Scriptures.  These all brought forth many striking examples of numeric features in the Bible.
It remained for Dr. Panin, however, by giving his very life to the task, to find that every letter of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts is numbered and occupies its own special place in the order of the total number of letters in the Bible, the slightest variations of orthography being all God ordained.  Since every Greek and Hebrew letter carries a numerical value (letters being used for figures in these languages), every word, phrase, sentence and paragraph has a definite arithmetical sum.
Dr. Panin devoted himself so persistently to counting letters and working out mathematical problems, that he often wore himself out physically.  His works were voluminous and his discoveries seemingly without end. He was the author of a volume, Structure of the Bible and of a revision of the New Testament based upon his numeric discoveries.
Panin's establishing of the practically infinite series of complex systems, in the Hebrew and Greek texts, all sequences, combinations, ratios, etc., following a uniform design from Genesis to Revelation, is undoubtedly God's answer to modern atheism and higher criticism and His vindication of the verbal and plenary inspiration of Scripture.
The discovery settles many questions of text.  It proves that the books of our present Bible, and they alone, have the required features. It settles disputes of long standing as to some portions which scholars have said should be eliminated from the Bible.
The doctrine of the divine authority of the Scriptures has always been fully sustained by the proofs from fulfilled prophecy, from the inexhaustible depths of truth revealed, from its matchless power over the lives of men, from its indestructibility and from the testimony of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.  However, some have been won to wave these lines of evidence aside as unscientific.
Dr. Panin has submitted conclusive scientific proof that the Bible could not have been produced by the unaided human mind.  This proof is found in the amazing numeric phenomena in the very structure of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.  Dr. Panin demonstrated, either that every writer of Scripture was an unparalleled literary and mathematical genius, or that he wrote as he was moved by the Holy Ghost.  Prof. John C. Banks, a worthy successor of Dr. Panin, has been offering numeric evidence to the same proposition.
Panin laid his discoveries before the readers of a New York paper, copies of which were sent to leading skeptical educators and scientists with a challenge they disprove, if possible, the phenomena to which he had called attention.  Since that time many other learned skeptics have been confronted with the same evidence, and not one has been able to discredit it.  Some challenged him to find the same mathematical structure in Hebrew and Greek classics outside of the Bible.  Panin, therefore, gave much time to the examination of other writings failing to find such phenomena.  No such features were found in the seven books added by the Roman Catholic Church to their Old Testament.

 God bless you dear lady

   gouda
 

Gouda, you are denying truth by using truth as defined by another.  Do you have the ability to think independently?  If you don't, then none of your choices are truly yours.  You cannot state that your belief is solid as long as you, yourself cannot justify on your own.  You either take passages from the Bible as your proof, without looking at the WHOLE Bible, or you use someone else's words to describe what YOU feel.  Is there anything that truly comes straight from you OWN heart, or do you rely on outsider information for everything?  You need to trust your own mind and maybe YOU'LL be able to see some light.  I can't imagine the burden of detaching yourself from your own reality once you're given your mind over to others to make your decisions.  Do you think that is your ticket to Heaven?  What makes someone else's thoughts more important than your own?  What did "God" give you in order to sense the world around you and measure it?  Why are you handing over your greatest gifts to someone else's whim?  For GOD'S sake, use your own brain for a change.

I'm not being nasty with you, I'm trying to get you to see the error of YOUR ways.  And if you arrive back at the same place, then you have the right of OWNERSHIP in your faith.  What you consistently post here is someone else's faith, while denying your own.  Disconnecting your own thoughts from your own mind is not the way to TRUTH, just because somebody else says so.

You have yourself a very, merry time with this. I'm going to pass, because while I enjoy understanding astrology, I don't use the fact that it is mathematically based to be the guiding point of my life. I think it is very probable the Bible was written in layers of understanding, and I have no objections with that.

I don't know what you mean by Spirit, but this is what I mean: The Spirit or Holy Ghost is the part of God that lives within us, this gift he gave only to humans, whom he created in His likeness, and we are alone in this, among all his creations.

Later, I'll check back for the answers to "it all", just can't spare the brain time at the moment. Wrapping. That's my game plan. Have fun with your game, wherever it takes you.

Let me say at this point that I actually do see the bible, as a whole, as a guide for living in the boundaries of our universe.  Because it's so simple, it's more than complicated.  We make it difficult, not the other way around.  I see a strong tree in the Bible, the trunk, roots, branches and all of the snags.  When I climb that tree, there are times that I have to leave the trunk in order to navigate the course to the top.  There are snakes and birds and vines and any number of obstacles in the way.  When I get to an obstacle, I examine it to see if it's moving in the right direction, the same direction I'm headed, and when it isn't, I move past it, around it and stay on the course to the top.  If you clear the path, it's much easier to navigate, but in order to do that, you have to trust YOURSELF.  And in order to trust YOURSELF, you have to find your INNOCENCE.  You have to give yourself PERMISSION to be INNOCENCE at the place where it matters the most, within your mind, your tablernacle.  The lesson was one of the first in the Book of Man (the Old Testament)... that's the starting point!

I don't BELIEVE, from the route or path that I'm on, that I will reach the unclear destination you seek, but there is TRUTH running straight through it and you will not make ME deviate from the path I'm on, because I BELIEVE I've found it on my own.  I trust me more than I trust you, because I'm also part of the whole.  We're all the friction that either holds it together or makes it fall apart.  And I know what I see, I don't have to question what God truly is.  And God doesn't look anything like what YOU describe!

But, you are still a necessary component, because you keep the contradictions in full view, so that others can see them, understand them and take a different path.  (as Moons would so eloquently state, you're one of HIS "nine", the place where it falls apart).  The path I've taken explains the contradcitions, clearly and perfectly!

Beetree sees what I see in this thread---metaphysical/astrology/new age mysticism.  

Thanks YR for your posts.  They are good.  

Gouda, I liked your article as well--nothing wrong with posting something that you agree with.  Just because you agree with someone else doesn't mean that you can't think for yourself.

Nothing "new age" about it gg, these are MY thoughts and discoveries, I didn't take them from anyone else.  I take in bits and pieces and process them MYSELF.  I come to conclusions that are my own and I don't expect, nor care if someone else has THEIR own.  I've seen and investigated other views, because I don't fear them.   And I think the right one is in there among all the others, with a grain running through them all, the only grain that we can truly follow, calculation of dimensions and understanding in the only true universal language, numbers.  We all seek the TRUTH, and we shouldn't be afraid to see where it leads when we look at it HONESTLY.

I am well aware gg turner of what you are speaking of , but I assure you there will be no entry of the spirit of the Dark world in my posts

We know that the Tree of Life is Jesus and we are the branches and the cornerstone is Jesus and we build that from his Words found in the BIBLE.
I am out of time to day , and will post tonight . I have dogs to let out, dishes , food to cook, shopping and leaves all over and dirty kitchen

Digging into the subject of numbers and colors in our search for truth, and of the Great I AM is a pathway to finding what God expects us to find.

We are HIS and he put us here to serve HIM not man..  On that path, GSDtravels has put up some good questions, that GOD in HIS infinite knowledge knows what HE is doing..THe HOly Spirit dwells in all of us that are HIS , serve HIM, and are the inherited children of the KINGDOM.

The subject we are on , is only the beginning of knowledge, the search for that PEACE and finding who gives it, where it comes from and how to get there.

BUT we can not fight or send the wrong vibes while we talk about it.

GOD didnt put the stars in the sky or the moon hung there, not the constellation out evolving for US to worship or let run our lives...but  he did hang them there and place them there for other reasons..of which we may start a new thread later.

Jesus is the I AM, the Peacemake, The Lord of Glory, The Sacrificial Lamb, The Author and the Finisher of our Faith  as found in Hebrews 12:2

HE is the way and the Truth, and the ONLY source of Truth      John 6:68
Jesus had to convince HIS twelve and in John he spent time questioning them as to WHO do you say I am? and one among you chosen twelve is the DEVIL>..a good chapter to read.....explaining to them that he must go away..they did not know at that time what he spoke of..     Many parallels in the BIBLE have to be studied from the Old Testament to fit them all into the whole BOOK..YOU cannot take out a scripture here and there and use it..IT has to be tied.... THat is why I suggest you get a good study on the meaning of the Tabernacle...it is  a great study...

Will post later tonight to tie this into the Tree, the Branches, the BODY and the SPIRIT

Remember a new creature in Christ searches and learns and asks and thinks on their own , and it is with that word, that I remind all ;  First we are BABES in the WORD,  we don't eat meat ...
Gently nurture and gently give knowledge with love and it will be done properly


The Holy Spirit is Gods indweling that leads us and give us knowledge , thru our inner need to search for right and wrongs...GOD made us that way..

Later
YR

The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by athiests and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.

It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.

Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most renowned atheistic nation, Russia. Dr Ivan Panin was born in Russia on Dec 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.

Panin was exiled from Russia. After spending a number of years studying in Germany he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.

Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.

It was in 1890 that Dr Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".

Dr Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceeded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.

Oldest manuscripts

Dr Panin found his proof in the some of the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.

In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.

The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Dr Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.

This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasising certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.

Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.

Dr Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalise the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this.

Inspiration from on high

"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it''.

The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.

In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Then in 2 Peter 9:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".

Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the begining God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.

This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.

Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).

In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.

Divisible by seven

There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).

God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.

The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.

We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.

The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.

In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.

Number of resurrection

Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Saviour which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).

Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).

Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumsised on the eighth day of his life.

There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.

Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.

Nine is finality

The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).

There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.

The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.

Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the origins of this number can be found by unraveling all the names by which Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs 13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).

Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2197 (13 x 13 x 13).

Small neat calculations

This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Dr Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Dr Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.

He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure. By and large it was a thankless task. Dr Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet - I was in the same condition as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it'. I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".

Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Dr Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric English New Testament.

The works of Dr Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Dr Panin once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium of the New York Sun newspaper Nov 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame excuses. The rest were silent.

Dr Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted 

This has turned out to be a very interesting thread.  Thank you Gouda for sharing that with us.