Dog Bites The Trainer - Page 3

If it was Ivan that's all I need to know to know that it was NOT an over correction. Ivan is one of the three best trainers in Florida hands down

This is what you get with Newbie Trainer  LOL  I guess it is newbie trainers we need  to worry about not Newbie owners.

 1, I have my doubts that a dog that unstable that being told no would send into a rage is what we're dealing with here and 2, No discounting the ability of Ivan, but he is hardly above taking the head off a dog with a prong collar.  Those who believe he is, have probably never seen anything but internet talk and videos.

I don't care who the "trainer" was, if it was me I'd still blame ME.  

Dragonfly,

Going by your story, the trainer is still responsible.  If the owner is a newbie and doesn't know what he is doing, The trainer needs to take the time to teach the handler, not take the dog and correct it, verbally or physically.  Shit happens.  This expert misread the dog. The owner didn't know better but the trainer should have.

If it were my dog, I would cover the expenses and consider it the cost of owning a dog but that is me.  But it is the trainer's fault that he got bit.

Just my opinion based on the two stories told here.

 

Ivan was not the trainer in question. But i do know he is highly respected. I've just never had the chance to meet the man.
Hey Troopscott who are the other two trainers you think are good?
I also was not at this incident, so all i have to go on is the two people that were there and a first time new person who's dog bite someone.
I don't believe that everyone of you knows exactly what your dealing with the first time you meet a new dog. Or even the second time either.

 I've handled strange dogs that have tried to "Have a go at me" just for walking them on a leash. If it had been me that got bit i'd be handing him back a dead dog. I don't take kindly to being bitten at all. And i've take a face bite too. I would have reported it to the police.
I just hope you all haven't over stuffed this guys head and some other trainer gets hurt.
I'm out
Fry

I would handle or do decoy work with the dog, now I might not let the op handle the dog but I would take bite from him.

Well Paul, did you normally take your bite suit tracking? Because that's where the problem occurred. Not during any sort of bite work.
Clearly the dog doesn't have any problems biting.

I'll say it again,
The trainer asked for the prong to be put on the dog, this was done, the dog was put in a platz, the trainer had taken the leash and was holding it when he tossed the chunk of food out in front of the dog, and when the dog went to go after it, the trainer yelled no and yanked on the prong collar to correct him.
The dog jumped up immediately upon the correction, and hit him in the corner part of his eye with his k-9. Much different than a bite, if the dog bit him in the face, it would have been devastating.
The trainer pushed him away with his arms when the dog jumped up, and the dog bit him in the arm as they fell to the ground. The dog didn't thrash around, but, didn't let go either. The dog didn't re-bite the trainer in the face either as was posted earlier by "Fry". The dog would not Aus immediately, holding his arm, he was pulled off, and put away.

Another "witness", was a ways away, tracking, who upon hearing the screams from the trainer, came running over. This person didn't see anything in the way of the dog bitting. By the time she came over, the dog was in his box and the trainer was being tended to.
The trainer was given money when he was over at the walk-in clinic to be seen. The walk-in clinic suggested he go to the ER to get a good look at the slit by his eye.

All shot records (copies) are carried in the vehicle, he was told to turn the dog in for the bite, I didn't see a problem with this, dog training, not a dog just running around in a frenzy attacking people. The trainer didn't want to do that because of personal reasons, that I'm not going to disclose.


No one is reneging on payment of insurance deductibles, the deductibles is what was mentioned that would be paid. 
I have however consulted with several top trainers, they all say, he was at fault and that if it we're them that had been bitten, and they all have before, much worse than this. They say it's all in the scope of a dog trainers world.
I said I would help pay the Deductibles, much more than anyone else has offered to these top trainers.
They also say if they would have made that type of mistake, or mishandled the dog in any way, they would have expected to have been "Nailed" as the dog is trained to actually bite. 
We explained this to the trainer, this dog not like the majority of the dog's he trains with, he has a civil side, he's also done bite work with the dog before, the dog will bite, he has bitten before, minor in nature, he knows this because he was told so. 

We went to train with this trainer for help with all phases of IPO and to learn the sport. All was going well, even after the trainer finished that last leg of the track with the dog, he was put away and all was great. It went south when the trainer asked for the dog to come back with the prong then he decided to correct him. 
Keep in mind, we paid this trainer to help us. It is unfortunate what happened and I wish I could change it, but I can't.
I've posted this and asked what other people would do in this type of situation.

I have not bad mouthed anyone in this post nor will I. You can say what you wish, you are getting second hand information that is not accurate, FRY.
But, if this is the story that is being passed around, who should I assume it's coming from?
 

Fry. Phil in Miami is a solid trainer and I will PM you the other trainer. 

The trainee admits he/she is new to the sport, went to a trainer for guidance. Trainers that are dealing with the dogs trained from Germany have to be careful and shouldn't assume the dog is a pussy cat. The dog will give you a correction if you screw up, that's a given. Just like this dog has, Id like to know more about who this dog this is, w/ a PSP1 from the first post, probably a nice high driven dog that know's his boundaries. He needs a good trainer, as well the owner. See it for what it is, a good trainer will be able to negotiate the training needed. Look. If this dog was so new, the trainer shouldn't have been so quick to do the Let's see what your dog can do bit and should have spent some time around the dog, no agitation no nothing. No bite work should have been done, only OB, this would allow the trainer time to know the dog and vice versa. Dog's don't give out trust that easy, and easily stocked even putting your hands on him will lead to a bite until they get settled. Especially one who is fresh out of Germany. I would think from the scenarios given, this trainer just simply dropped his guard and went out of bounds on this one. I doubt a simple yell would provoke the face down, this dog was corrected. Owner is not at fault, as he was in the trainers hands just as the lead was in the trainers hands at the time of the bite.