First Leg Bite - Page 2

also why is the helper activating him with a short leash to his collar, you can see him pulling when the dog is not moving ?

Duke,
I believe the dog should activate the helper, not the other way around. I hate to see helpers jumping around like monkeys. My main point was, especially with young dogs, the dog needs to feel he is impressing the helping when he bites, such a having a sense he is inflicting pain by having the helping do some acting and make some sounds like the bite is hurting. If a young dog is just passively accepted by the helper, it can have a negative effect on the dog's confidence.

He is making sounds like the dog is hurting him. The dog gets plenty of wins and believe me, the dog has plenty confidence. :) Here is another one on the Legbite https://www.facebook.com/sandra.king3/videos/10209520426438452/

 

 

And upper body

https://www.facebook.com/sandra.king3/videos/10209517931536081/

The dogs very good. He looks very confident, has great grips, his intensity doesn't seems to falter. So in addition to his genetics, he has had good training. My comments are more of a general comment to people who might be just leaning helper work. Myself, I would work this dog a little differently, not that it would change anything or that anything needs changing. I want to instill in the dog that he is in a fight with a man. The dog always has a full grip, so he counters with a head shake. I would react to that will a sound like the dog is really hurting me and try to make a few quick steps while he is gripping as if I was trying to get away. I wouldn't do the petting the helper does. I would put my hand over his eyes from time to time. I might grab bit of skin sometimes. I would try to stress him more with the clatter stick or a jug of rocks and then react in subtle defeat when he fights back. But the dog you are showing is pretty much a finished product and turned out well. What I am saying would be erring on the side of caution with younger dogs and possible dogs that are not as genetically confident. It also depends on what your goals are with the dog. I think a dog trained in sport should also be trained in some street type work as well. I really like what I see of this dog.

all those things, pulling the leash when not moving, acting afraid or hurt etc all are things to make a dog do something he doesnot do naturally
no problem with that to get the best possible result of each individual dog, but it gives you pointers to what to think about when breeding

The dog is fully mature and not a 1 year old. The helper gives him plenty of wins. However, in the facebook video, he was on a brandnew helper and the reason we used my male is because he is absolutely safe. You put him on a bite and he stays on no matter what you throw at him. He's a very nice dog. He's super easy to work too. I really lucked out (Pedigree) And yeah, very confident and intense dog. The decoy primarily works with Police dogs and learned from Helpers in the Netherlands. He's a very experienced decoy.

 

There is actually a new Association on the rise in the US. The American Politiehond Association. The rules are the same as in KNPV minus the swimming and bike attack. That's our goal. That's what we are training for. He's got most of the elements now. Now need to train Object Guard and Pallisade.

 

Thanks for the link. Looks interesting.

Nice dog good training What that decoy actually is dong practising some pushing bite on the leg ,same what we do in KNPV this take some special technique by decoy,I have never used a small leash but I think this decoy is using this for move the the dog more forward and deeper pushing grip in the leg. KNPV like deep pushing grips , Some dog needs more stimulation than other dogs some dogs have a natural pushing grip don,t need a lot of stimulation Doing some decoy work ,leg bite with a 8 months old malinois

https://vimeo.com/238737566

 

 

The decoy is truly a good one. I lucked out in that department. He said that Athos puts every ounce of being into that one bite and usually he doesn't need stimulation. And while he has a deep pushing grip, he's still helping him along the way. Remember, started suitwork very recently and while he has the natural ability, it's still an adjustment and also conflict going from suit to sleeve and back to suit. I was conflicted for a while. I wanted to title him in IPO but his true power lies in suitwork. So I've officially joined APA and will be traveling to South Carolina to a Rik Wolterbeek workshop in a couple weeks. :D

Good for doing what you feel your dog would truly enjoy and excel at. Will the new APA enable trailing for a title that is equivalent to KNPV?