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Romans 8:28-30    Here i
s the reason for the confidence expressed in verse 28  Gods eternal plan will be accomplished.  God did not predetermine who wopuld be saved,but He predetined those who believe would be made holy like his Son.  He called them to Himself JUSTIFIED. Forgave their sins glorified. Provided for them to share eterna life with him.

Verse 33  Gods elect--  In Christ, God offers salvation TO ALL,John 3:16.  Those who reject Christ rejects Gods offer.  Those who accept Christ become Gods elect.

Arbitrary election or predestination,that is without reference to the necessary perfection of all Gods actions springing from the essential holiness of His character,IS UNBBIBLICAL.  God does not force but rather enables people to believe in Chrit.  Each one is personally responsible to accept or reject Gods free offer od salvation  Election to eternal life or eternal death is based on,  GODS OFFER TO ALL PEOPLE,and THE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSE TO THAT OFFER  Duet. 30;19  Josh.24:15  Zech.13:9
Matt. 11:27-29  John 20:13  Acts 16:31  Rom.4:3  Rev.  22:17.
Based on these scriptures  and many others,election is Gods purpose to save mankind from ruin and sin.  Salvation is OFFERED TO ALL THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS.

  GOUDA

It was said he could drink enough in one night to kill a mule and smoked like a chimney.


Christopher Eric Hitchens (13 April 1949 – 15 December 2011) It is quite clear that Hitchens's understanding of biblical studies is flawed at best. He consistently misrepresents what the Bible has to say, fails to contextualize biblical narratives in their original historical settings, implies unanimity among biblical scholars on quite controversial positions, and fails to provide any evidence for alternative scholarly positions, or even to acknowledge that such positions exist at all.... Hitchens's understanding of the Bible is at the level of a confused undergraduate. His musings on such matters should not be taken seriously, and should certainly not be seen as reasonable grounds for rejecting belief in God.^[29]

Daniel C. Peterson, a professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic at BYU, attacked the accuracy of Hitchens' claims in a lengthy essay, concluding, "The book...is crammed to the bursting point with errors, and the striking thing about this is that the errors are always, always, in Hitchens's favor.... There is not a disputed fact or a fact that struck me as questionable that I've checked in Hitchens's book where it has not turned out that he's wrong. Every single time.

  
Don't confuse God with religion....Believe in Jesus,...the only path to God.
Religion is why he was crucified...Max

<sup>Gouda said, "Gods eternal plan will be accomplished.  God did not predetermine who would be saved,but He predetined those who believe would be made holy like his Son "
....I underlined the parts in your quote I am questioning. Are you suggesting that these are two different groups of people?..The saved and the holy??....


Gouda said,  Verse 33  Gods elect--  In Christ, God offers salvation TO ALL,John 3:16.  Those who reject Christ rejects Gods offer.  Those who accept Christ become Gods elect.
...I agree...

Gouda said, "Arbitrary election or predestination,that is without reference to the necessary perfection of all Gods actions springing from the essential holiness of His character,IS UNBBIBLICAL. "
...Please re-explain in your own words...lol..

Gouda said, "God does not force but rather enables people to believe in Christ"
...That is blantantly contrary to all of scripture...


Gouda said, " Election to eternal life or eternal death is based on,  GODS OFFER TO ALL PEOPLE,and THE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSE TO THAT OFFER "
...Yep, I agree..

Gouda said, "Based on these scriptures  and many others,election is Gods purpose to save mankind from ruin and sin.  Salvation is OFFERED TO ALL THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS."
...Yep , I agree ...</sup>

 





 

Deanna  asked

^{Gouda said, "Gods eternal plan will be accomplished.  God did not predetermine who would be saved,but He predetined those who believe would be made holy like his Son "
....I underlined the parts in your quote I am questioning. Are you suggesting that these are two different groups of people?..The saved and the holy??....}


 I believe that it is self explanitory. The ones that believe would be made holy like his Son.
You do not seem to understand that you cannot be made holy like his son unless you are saved .  The unsaved are different that those that believe,but once they accept Christ there is no difference between them..
------------------------------------^{Gouda said, "Based on these scriptures  and many others,election is Gods purpose to save mankind from ruin and sin.  Salvation is OFFERED TO ALL THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS."
...Yep , I agree ...
My reply--  UPTOP YOU SAY IT IS OFFERED TO EVERY ONE, NOW ARE YOU SAYING IT IS ONLY OFFERED TO THOSE WHO ARE PREDESTINATED?}   

 
 ----^{Gouda said, "God does not force but rather enables people to believe in Christ"
...That is blantantly contrary to all of scripture...
MY REPLY--  SCRIPTURE PLEASE.}


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^{Gouda said, " Election to eternal life or eternal death is based on,  GODS OFFER TO ALL PEOPLE,and THE INDIVIDUALS RESPONSE TO THAT OFFER "
...Yep, I agree..}

 My reply-- Deanna again you are contredicting your belief. iT CONTRIDICTS THE REPLY YOU GAVE ON THE PREVIOUS POST ABOVE THIS ONE.
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 Deanna replied
 <sup>Gouda said,  Verse 33  Gods elect--  In Christ, God offers salvation TO ALL,John 3:16.  Those who reject Christ rejectsGouda said, "Arbitrary election or predestination,that is without reference to the necessary perfection of all Gods actions springing from the essential holiness of His character,IS UNBBIBLICAL. "
...Please re-explain in your own words...lol..
God loves the soul more that all creation. He fashioned it after His own image,and made it like unto himself.  Every soul has departed from God and gone astray,and God has bought every soul back again with a price That price was in and threw and by Jesus Christ. God loves every soul with an everlasting love,that Deanna is Gods Character.  God did nort predestinate who would believe or not  believe he predestinated  that if you believe you would be saved.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Gods offer.  Those who accept Christ become Gods elect.
...I agree</sup> 
My reply--   Im glad you agree with me deanna,but your reply actuall contredicts your belief in predestination.

Apparenly your belief suggest that God does not offer salvation to all,only to those that are predestinated.

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  Some of my replies are not in order,for some reason they kept jumping around.
From now on please as me one question at a time.

  gouda
 

Max 

Relgion is a dirty word,and should not be in the Christians vocabulary.

  gouda

Gouda,

First question...Thanks for the clarification, I agree .....

The message of the gospel is preached to everyone..We can not know who will believe and who will not..We only preach the message..The rest is up to God...

 I am not contradicting myself...I believe that people must respond, but where you and I disagree, is the means/motivation by which we except or deny the offer of the gospel.. I do not think you have a clear understanding of Gods character..Read Romans and come back and talk to me about..
 
   God does not offer salvation to everyone..Scripture does not teach that..The Bible is written to believers, for believers...

  Read the Bible in that context and you will have a better understanding of it's meaning..Christ died for His people, not the whole world ...Don't post John 3: 16 as a reference because if you read the scriptures in their full context, you would see that it does NOT suggest that Christ died for the world. Christ died for all of His people in this world this is the context that this verse was written in..You can not read scripture out of context ...  Christ's offer of atonement was not simply made available to God's people, but it accomplished the purpose for which it was intended..To call, justify and to glorify His people..


Deanna..:)
 

What do we do with Mark 16:15-16. Since all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for reproof, doctrin, and correction?

Hank

dessert dog..
Scripture is to reprove , instruct, and correct Gods people..

 

Excuse my paraphrasing.
KJV= 2nd Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Hank