Question to Two Moons - Page 2

Red Sable, it all falls on the shoulders of Emperor Constantine, I do believe. He's the Roman emperor who embraced Christianity. And since the Romans were big on making and adjusting Calendars, the terms, B.C and A.D reflect that.

And the Christian holidays, were assimilated with pagan ones, because it made it easier for them to be accepted. A kind of evolution of sorts, some stuff gets left behind that is not needed, and the new stuff finds a home.

 

 The traditions of "Christmas" are not actually rooted in Christianity.  Saturnalia was a holiday celebrated by the Roman Pagans from Dec. 17 thru 25.  All of the traditions that are associated with Christmas come from the celebration of the return of the sun (winter solstice) to longer days.

Moons,

Regarding Carbon dating,

Carbon dating assumptions needed to be pointed out.

They say well - we know carbon decays in certain rate and so we know it’s only half as much it’s half as old. (There is an assumption that messes up everything), I show how it works.

If I say we going to fill a barrel with water, so I gave a hose to fill barrel with water, but what you don’t know is I have drill holes in the barrel. While you are putting in – the water is leaking out, well - kind the like your checkbook - you know, you keep putting in and its keep leaking out someplace: right!

Well, the earth’s atmosphere – its kind the like this barrel. It’s always getting brand knew carbon14, 21 pounds every year being put in and is always leaking out through decay. So the question would be how long it would take to reach a stage called Equilibrium. Now with the barrel you can actually do the math and calculate – if I’m going to put in certain amount of water per minute and certain amount per minute leaks out. When would I reach Equilibrium? That’s all can be calculated – with little bit of math. And with atmosphere when will it reach Equilibrium. So the guys, - who invented carbon dating in the late 1940’s. Said - they wonder earth atmosphere reaching Equilibrium, they did a bunch of study on that (This subject). They said if we took a brand new planet earth, created from scratch; got it going around the sun and how long would it take to reach Equilibrium point in the atmosphere. Where production rate and destruction rate is the same. And they determine it would take about thirty thousand years to reach Equilibrium; I’ m NOT sure how they did all that calculation. You can probably see some rate scientists to figure that out.

Did you know that they discover that the earth still did not reach Equilibrium….
Radiocarbon is still forming 30 - 40% faster that it is decaying. “NOW THINK ABOUT THAT”
If Radiocarbon is still forming faster than it’s decaying - that means the earth is less then thirty thousand years old – that is Number1 and Number2 – you can’t carbon date anything. Because you would have to know when it lived – so that you could calculated when it lived. You would have to already know when it lived to fear how much carbon14 it was breathing at that time. “Doesn’t work”

Suppose you walked into the room and I said – I want you to tell me, here is candle burning on the table, when it was lit?

You find out it was 7 inches tall; well, that won’t tell me anything. Now we have to measure how fast it’s burning, we measure a candle for a while, we get Olympic stop watch and we get do to nearest 40 bazillion of the second, okay! And we all agree candle burning 1 inch per hour.
Here are two facts, seven inches tall and burning one inch per hour - but when it was lit?
Nobody could figure that out!!! Unless you make some assumptions,
Assumption number one – how tall was the candle and assumption number two has it always burned at the same rate, neither of those could be known. If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon could be measured, the rate of decay can be determent; I don’t argue either of those. How much was in when it lived – I don’t know, has it always decay at the same rate – I don’t know, has it being contaminated, sitting in the ground for all this years, there is no way to know all this things.
(Carbon dating has a flaw to determine the age)

Here is some more information I will share again.

The troubles of radiocarbon dating are undeniably deep and serious.
Despite thirty five years of technological refinement and better understanding, the underlying assumptions have been strongly challenged and warnings are out that radiocarbon dating may soon find itself how I see it - in a crisis situation.
Continuing use of this method depends on a “fix-it-as-you-go” approach, allowing for contamination here fractionation there, and calibration whenever possible. It should be no surprise, then that fully half the dates are and is rejected. Out of thousands carbon dating that have been done; half of the numbers has being thrown out.
How do they know first half is wrong? And also how do you know the other half is right. If half of the tests results have to be thrown out: This is stupid – it’s a waste of time This is shocking to me - that the remaining half - have come to be accepted.
As with my other post “No matter how ‘useful it is, though, the radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates.

I still fail to see at least one proof of evolution as evidence/fact; ONLY faith makes people have hope for the evolution theory!


Have a good day/night/evening and thank you for being polite moons!



Shtal :-)

There is no God without faith. So your ONLY is baloney. I say this in a nice way. It is good night for me!

Shtal,
You wish to lay the burden of proving evolution on my shoulders, yet you ignore my request of you to prove your beliefs.

I am glad you have so much interest in carbon dating methods and technology, I do not.
And what method would you prefer?
More unanswered questions.

I told you it was irrelevant to me this beginning and end, this measurement called time.
I don't wanna be late for an appointment but this age thing your so hung up about and evolutionary, historical time lines means nothing to me.

You see I believe there is no beginning or end to time, it is a constant and it's because everything is in motion that time exists.
What has always been shall always be and far beyond anything we think we know about time, space, or our universe.

I really don't feel the need to know, a lot of brain power could be better served on different subject matter in my opinion.
There are greater questions to ask.

Man is still extremely primitive and it shows.

The Earth and moon, definitely a relationship between the two.
Christmas and Easter, modern holidays.
These dates are not really known in truth, and as for the calendar, ask the maker of the calendar why.
Evolution, I see it all the time in plants and animals because I look.
The existence of a supreme being, sorry I just don't see it anywhere, and you have done nothing to convince me.

Some questions have no answers, that may be hard for some to grasp but it's true in my opinion.
Others are a no brainer.

I trust my own beliefs and my own senses about what is and isn't Shtal.


Moons. 

Moons wrote: yet you ignore my request of you to prove your beliefs.


Let me ask you - what relationship muslims faith with christianity, but yet Jesus Christ was in both religions. The only differences is in Muslim religion he was just a prophet - but in Christianity he is son of God. Also, Original translations (old books) was found, prophecy(s) 250 years before Jesus was born; question? how could possibly anybody would know about Jesus Christ coming - 250 years before he was born? or knew about crucifictions, since it did NOT existed at the time when prophecy was written; and he was sold for 30 pieces of silver. And why he became so unique, in his name whole world started the calendar from the beginning again. And when he was born - the year was at that time 4,000 thousand and after his name, the year count started from zero till here we our quarter 4, year 2011. [And remember we still have records stating BC (before Christ) or AC (after Christ).] This proves such individual walked the Earth. But whether you want to believe him or NOT it's your own affair, LOL because time travel is NOT available to anybody!


Take care,


Shtal.

I would like to add a point; when I made a thread earlier called good news and I started talking about God - people made excuses NOT to believe him, but on my conclusion of that thread - I made a statement, if he does exist for real "Mighty God"; people yet still rejected him no matter what situation.

I think you remember that thread, so what is the point talking to you moons if under all circumstances God is rejected anyway.

(REMEMBER THIS WAS FROM OLD THREAD ) Here is my final conclusion for this long conversation for this thread. Either there is God or there isn’t, but both possibilities are frightened; you see if there is a God – then we better (should) find out who he is and find out what he wants and do what he says. But if there is no God – we are in trouble; we hurtling through space - 66 thousand miles an hour and nobody is in charge. LOL.

Shtal,
Your English seems to come and go, you are hard to understand at times and other times not.  Your questions sometimes vague and incomplete, then your responses at times crystal clear, I suspect a little plagiarism, using the words of others without giving them their due.
It's obvious you let others think for you.

(Let me ask you - what relationship muslims faith with christianity, but yet Jesus Christ was recorded in both religions )
See what I mean, vague.

Might this relationship have something to do with Abraham?
And you left out Judaism?
Also you must know there are other beliefs in the world that are not based on Jesus and are just as important to those who follow them as your faith is to you.

As for profits and prophecy, it's a gamble using mathematical odds and a little imagination, a cheap magicians trick, there are more than I care to count including modern day profits.
Not exclusive to these faiths.

I'll ask you, if this was the son of a God, and people believed this, why did he not have followers at his side on crosses, as opposed to thieves?
Perhaps another issue of faith.

 True one cannot travel forward in time at this point, but going back in time is a reality.

Many of the timelines and dates are conflicting and still in dispute even today so I hold little store in calendars.

Now for the real issue at hand, you and others like you seem to constantly be looking for validation, acceptance, approval, while others do not.
Is this an issue of faith itself, yours in particular?
I know people of great faith and they do not stand in public shouting to others proclaiming to be superior.
No they are humble devout people who live their faith daily and have a specific place to worship their faith.
I have a great respect for people who understand faith and how it works.

Those who are persecuted are done so not by their faith but by their actions.
All the words and scripture mean nothing if you do not live by them in your daily life, keep that in mind.
I say again, look inside yourself for these answers, that is the path to true faith, not the words of others, believing is believing, you cannot fake it without being known as a fraud.

Moons.