AND THIS::

ForumTrainings and programsE-COLLAR (28)

E-COLLAR (28)

<12

James King

I have 2 Dogsand my home is United States   and my username is K9COP1193

See photos   Give a gift

James King
| Quote | 4 years ago

Hello everyone, I´m new to the web site and saw that there was a forum with different topics and the E-Collar topic caught my eye since I just attended Gold Coast K-9 shock collar 3 day training course. I can see the majority of people in this forum have a good understanding what an E-Collar is supposed to be used for. I think I can bring new light to the conversation. I have been a Police K-9 handler for 11 years and I have had the pleasure of handling multiple top dogs in my career, which I have never had to use an E-Collar on any of my K-9 partners until now. I have had my new partner for 7 months now and all I have to say is WOW, what a hand full. He is a 3 year Belgian Malinois named Sniper, he is built for speed and intensity. Anyone that knows the breed understands what I’m saying. I have to say this dog is like driving a Ferrari; he is quick and gets to work in a fast manner (biting people). The only issue I have with Sniper is his verbal out of the bite. He has selective hearing and refuses to let go when I command him to. I was at a loss when it comes to certification (which this was the first time I have ever failed in 11 years), because he would give me the big paw when I attempted to verbal out him of the bite. My unit and I attempted everything under the sun to curve Snipers verbal out issues, we even attempted the shock collar, gradually working our way up until we achieved our verbal out, which never came. We were at a loss for words when he maxed out the collar and he continued to bite through the pain. Keep in mind; this is a Dogtra collar, not a cheap imitation. We then had some outside trainers attempt to help with this issue (from Europe),and they administered some less than nice methods that I have never seen preformed before, let alone heard before (utilizing the Dutch wipe). After witnessing the exercise, I put a stop to it because I felt that it was abusive and it was adding to the problem. It’s because of these types of practices (Dutch wipe), my dog now has a high threshold for pain, and any type of correction I attempt to administer is significantly less than what my partner is used to. Sniper will continue to fight through the pain no matter what is done to him. Using the shock collar in the correct manner (one around the neck, and one around the waist) gave me a new avenue, which allows me and my dog to become successful in the attempt to condition him to let go when commanded. One my dog is not being physically abused and we can both be proud of our accomplishments that we had made together in a short period of time. Understand, I cannot utilize the collar during certifications, but in time, the hope is that my partner will clearly understand what is being asked of him (which has worked for the month).

I hope this adds to the conversation, because the shock collar is a great tool if it is used in the correct manner. Thanks for reading and I look forward to any remarks. James

We can do this all  year - there are literally hundreds of articles on the net that both support and deny the benefits of an e-collar and how to use them.

So if a person beats their dog with a leash, does that mean leashes are bad?  If a person hangs their dog by their flat collar, does that make the flat collar abusive?  If a person hits their dog with a clicker, does that make clickers bad?  If a person puts their dog in a crate and leaves it to starve, does that make crates bad?

I mean if we are going to use examples of abuse using an ecollar to condemn all people using ecollars, shouldn't we do the same with any training technique?

If you don't want to use an ecollar - then don't. Personally, I can think of a few worse things that are being sold - like flexi-leads, or choke chains.

but I am still puzzled
as to why the current web pages / instruction sheets
accompanying the products still do not mention any use
or positioning except that of the neck  ?  If this use is
so well established ?

I would hazard a guess that the people who make e-collars already know their products are not PC to many.  The minute someone sees a collar on a dogs flanks the "They are SHOCKING that dogs TESTICLES" comments start.  I routinely see/hear this claim from people, that they heard, saw, their second cousin twice removed heard or saw someone shocking their dogs testicles.  The people who know how to use collars can figure out how to use one on the waist if needed, without the manufacturer advertising it that way. 

If you want more than a guess though I would suggest contacting the manufacturer and asking them why they don't advertise it that way.
 

I don't think there are many article that deny the benefit of the ecollars, I DO believe there are many articles that describe the MISUSE of the ecollars.....very big difference!

Well I certainly AM NOT claiming abuse of the collar by these articles I posted. Man, sometimes you just can't win on this board.
     I was just trying to give some INSIGHT, as to WHY, and HOW some people use them.
WHAT they achieve by using the collar in this manner, WHO is using them, and BTW ,  I WAS ONLY TRYING TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO SOME THAT DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK THE USE UP THEMSELVES,
     PLUS, I wanted to know myself and found the answers and training rather interesting!!!

It was not about the use of E-Collar per se, but the "unusual use" on the flank I was trying to address

Maindobe, your post reminds me of PETA people passing out pamphlets protesting rodeos. They clearly proclaim that in the steer wrestling event, the cowboy " grabs the steer by the testicles and throws the animal to the ground". Thing is, a steer is a castrated bull...so where's the beef.. err, where's the BALLS !!!

"grabs the steer by the testicles...."

   ROTFLMAO!!!

kitkat if your reply was to my post I wasn't commenting on your posts, actually I think yours were some of the ones I clicked "like" on.  I'm referring to www forum posts in general, and also conversations in the real world.  I've seen/heard it many times "they are shocking the dogs in the testicles".  Personally I've never even figured out how the people are supposed to be putting the collar on the testicles (must be like those steer wrestlers LOL).  Short of some sort of custom harness, which I have never seen, how are these mythical testicle shockers even supposed to be putting the collar there???

Actually  SS that's even funnier - even if it was an entire bull,
just HOW would you throw him to the ground just by grabbing
his testicles ?  It might hurt him, but the only thing flying through
the air would be the person trying to do that !