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by Vixen on 25 August 2010 - 17:08
Can only relate this question to Obedience Training: Do you tend to practise what your dog already KNOWS? So it becomes a run-through 'programme'. Or do you focus on detail and train to improve and progress?
I ask this because I find some Handlers are inclined to generally run through known and understood exercises, rather than expecting themselves and their dog to reach further, and improve as a team together both their attention and responses.
A simple straight-forward example ........ The Formal Recall .......
Do you generally give the appropriate command, leave the dog then about turn halt, and call dog to your front.
Or, (once this is fully understood performed beautifully) do you give the appropriate command, then as you are walking away from your dog, expect that his/her eyes remain on YOU and do not divert. Then about turn, halt. When recalling, evaluate whether dog is coming with a mission, coming straight not curved, when he/she reaches you, sits in front without banging you, and looks up at you. Then remain in that position while the Instructor walks behind and around you, dog maintaining position and attention to Handler.
Vixen
I ask this because I find some Handlers are inclined to generally run through known and understood exercises, rather than expecting themselves and their dog to reach further, and improve as a team together both their attention and responses.
A simple straight-forward example ........ The Formal Recall .......
Do you generally give the appropriate command, leave the dog then about turn halt, and call dog to your front.
Or, (once this is fully understood performed beautifully) do you give the appropriate command, then as you are walking away from your dog, expect that his/her eyes remain on YOU and do not divert. Then about turn, halt. When recalling, evaluate whether dog is coming with a mission, coming straight not curved, when he/she reaches you, sits in front without banging you, and looks up at you. Then remain in that position while the Instructor walks behind and around you, dog maintaining position and attention to Handler.
Vixen
by Two Moons on 25 August 2010 - 19:08
Use it or lose it.......
Learn something new when you can, never hurts.
Too much work makes Jack a dull boy, take the time to have fun.
Learn something new when you can, never hurts.
Too much work makes Jack a dull boy, take the time to have fun.
by Ruger1 on 25 August 2010 - 22:08
Vixen....This was a very nice post that kind of sums it up for me.....
Practice
by ShadyLady on 23 August 2010 - 13:08
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"Across the board, these last two variables - practice style and practice
time - emerged as universal and critical. From Scrabble players to dart players to soccer players to violin players, it was observed that the uppermost achievers not only spent significantly more time in solitary study and drills,
but also exhibited a consistent (and persistent) style of preparation that K. Anders Ericsson came to call 'deliberate practice.' First introduced in a 1993 Psychological Review article, the notion of deliberate practice went far beyond
the simple idea of hard work. It conveyed a method of continual skill improvement. 'Deliberate practice is a very special form of activity that differs
from mere experience and mindless drill,' explains Ericsson. 'Unlike playful
engagement with peers, deliberate practice is not inherently enjoyable. It ...
does not involve a mere execution or repetition of already attained skills but
repeated attempts to reach beyond one's current level which is associated with
frequent failures.' ...
"In other words, it is practice that doesn't take no for an answer; practice that perseveres; the type of practice where the individual keeps raising the
bar of what he or she considers success. ...
"[Take] Eleanor Maguire's 1999 brain scans of London cabbies, which revealed greatly enlarged representation in the brain region that controls spatial awareness. The same holds for any specific task being honed; the relevant
brain regions adapt accordingly. ...
"[This type of practice] requires a constant self-critique, a pathological restlessness, a passion to aim consistently just beyond one's capability so that daily disappointment and failure is actually desired, and a never-ending resolve to dust oneself off and try again and again and again. ...
"The physiology of this process also requires extraordinary amounts of
elapsed time - not just hours and hours of deliberate practice each day,
Ericsson found, but also thousands of hours over the course of many years. Interestingly, a number of separate studies have turned up the same common
number, concluding that truly outstanding skill in any domain is rarely achieved in less than ten thousand hours of practice over ten years' time (which comes to an average of three hours per day). From sublime pianists to unusually profound physicists, researchers have been very hard-pressed to find any examples of truly extraordinary performers in any field who reached the top of their game before that ten-thousand-hour mark."
Author: David Shenk
Title: The Genius in All of Us
Publisher: Doubleday
Date: Copyright 2010 by David Shenk
Pages: 53-57
Practice
by ShadyLady on 23 August 2010 - 13:08
ShadyLady
Posts: 320
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:56 am
"Across the board, these last two variables - practice style and practice
time - emerged as universal and critical. From Scrabble players to dart players to soccer players to violin players, it was observed that the uppermost achievers not only spent significantly more time in solitary study and drills,
but also exhibited a consistent (and persistent) style of preparation that K. Anders Ericsson came to call 'deliberate practice.' First introduced in a 1993 Psychological Review article, the notion of deliberate practice went far beyond
the simple idea of hard work. It conveyed a method of continual skill improvement. 'Deliberate practice is a very special form of activity that differs
from mere experience and mindless drill,' explains Ericsson. 'Unlike playful
engagement with peers, deliberate practice is not inherently enjoyable. It ...
does not involve a mere execution or repetition of already attained skills but
repeated attempts to reach beyond one's current level which is associated with
frequent failures.' ...
"In other words, it is practice that doesn't take no for an answer; practice that perseveres; the type of practice where the individual keeps raising the
bar of what he or she considers success. ...
"[Take] Eleanor Maguire's 1999 brain scans of London cabbies, which revealed greatly enlarged representation in the brain region that controls spatial awareness. The same holds for any specific task being honed; the relevant
brain regions adapt accordingly. ...
"[This type of practice] requires a constant self-critique, a pathological restlessness, a passion to aim consistently just beyond one's capability so that daily disappointment and failure is actually desired, and a never-ending resolve to dust oneself off and try again and again and again. ...
"The physiology of this process also requires extraordinary amounts of
elapsed time - not just hours and hours of deliberate practice each day,
Ericsson found, but also thousands of hours over the course of many years. Interestingly, a number of separate studies have turned up the same common
number, concluding that truly outstanding skill in any domain is rarely achieved in less than ten thousand hours of practice over ten years' time (which comes to an average of three hours per day). From sublime pianists to unusually profound physicists, researchers have been very hard-pressed to find any examples of truly extraordinary performers in any field who reached the top of their game before that ten-thousand-hour mark."
Author: David Shenk
Title: The Genius in All of Us
Publisher: Doubleday
Date: Copyright 2010 by David Shenk
Pages: 53-57
by Sam Spade on 25 August 2010 - 23:08
Well you always try to improve what needs to be improved. But how perfect can perfect be? To use your scenerio, sure the recall can always be faster no matter how fast the dog is, but how do you improve if the dog is sitting perfect with extreme focus?
I think over the whole routine, you know what needs the most attention, which could be multiple things. You spend more time on those until you are pretty much perfecting everything.
by Vixen on 25 August 2010 - 23:08
Oh, that report never mentioned Dog Training!! LOL.
Yes, I do agree that as an Instructor it is a duty to ascertain Handler & Dog, knowing when and how to move them on, not just in exercises but in their understanding of management. Otherwise the exercises could be regarded as 'performing tricks' (like shake-a-paw) - a dog can learn to shake-a-paw, but it does not mean he/she respects the person!!!
There are so many factors involved - which makes dog training so enjoyable and fascinating. The Owner has to build in confidence and ability, enabling the dog to trust and respect.
Too many keep repeating repeating repeating exercises (worse still, including repeating faults)!! They are merely treading water.
Vixen
Yes, I do agree that as an Instructor it is a duty to ascertain Handler & Dog, knowing when and how to move them on, not just in exercises but in their understanding of management. Otherwise the exercises could be regarded as 'performing tricks' (like shake-a-paw) - a dog can learn to shake-a-paw, but it does not mean he/she respects the person!!!
There are so many factors involved - which makes dog training so enjoyable and fascinating. The Owner has to build in confidence and ability, enabling the dog to trust and respect.
Too many keep repeating repeating repeating exercises (worse still, including repeating faults)!! They are merely treading water.
Vixen
by ShadyLady on 26 August 2010 - 00:08
The article was a study on what good practice yields, not mindless repitiion. It can be applied to dog training. It takes time and any shortcuts will show eventually.
Dog training should be broken down in segments. Mindlessly practicing the whole exercise over and over is not the way to a good exercise.
Besides, perfect practice makes perfect.
Dog training should be broken down in segments. Mindlessly practicing the whole exercise over and over is not the way to a good exercise.
Besides, perfect practice makes perfect.
by raymond on 26 August 2010 - 01:08
Always mix up the routines or exercises! repeated repetition makes for boredom! keep the dog focused ! dog says wow whats next? But practice practice practice as Sam Huff says! It is what I am learning !Always keep the dog guessing whats next oh my this is fun!
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