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by yellowrose of Texas on 24 August 2010 - 00:08
a "shebet" can mean a scepter or a staff as in a shepherd’s staff. It is a sign of authority and a tool to shepherd the sheep. He writes:
"According to Easton’s Bible Dictionary, 'the scepter originated in the idea that the ruler was a shepherd of his people'....[Like shepherds,] As parents we are to guide our children in the wilderness of the modern world. We need to provide them with a set of values and with ways of approaching life that has integrity and respect for others as a cornerstone. We certainly don’t do that by beating them. A shepherd who beats his/her sheep, will have no flock. The sheep will run from his/her voice and flee from his/her calling....We parents are the shepherds for our children. By applying the rod of protection, guidance, care, and nurturance, we can guide them into adulthood. But if we spare the rod, children are abandoned to their own devices and limited experiences for guidance. Discipline is about instruction, not beatings. A child cannot listen to someone he/she is afraid of. Lessons cannot be integrated by one who is in shock from having been struck. What they learn is distrust, fear, and violence."
Grace Chou studied the passages in Proverbs after receiving a suggestion from her mother to stop spanking her son. She writes:
"I found the perfect example of grace-filled discipline in Jesus. [Author Rick] Creech notes that, 'Some of the things of the Old Testament were done away with when the New Testament came into place. Take the adulterous woman in John 8:3-11 for example. The law of the Old Testament stated very clearly that if anyone committed adultery, they should be put to death. But Jesus did not allow the men to put her to death. Instead Jesus said to the men, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Jesus did not change the moral principle that was in the law, because he still told the woman, "Go now and leave your life of sin." But Jesus did change the way that the requirement of the law was enforced. Jesus did away with the harsh physical punishment, but he still upheld the moral standard.' I knew it was my job as a parent to do the same." 13,14
"According to Easton’s Bible Dictionary, 'the scepter originated in the idea that the ruler was a shepherd of his people'....[Like shepherds,] As parents we are to guide our children in the wilderness of the modern world. We need to provide them with a set of values and with ways of approaching life that has integrity and respect for others as a cornerstone. We certainly don’t do that by beating them. A shepherd who beats his/her sheep, will have no flock. The sheep will run from his/her voice and flee from his/her calling....We parents are the shepherds for our children. By applying the rod of protection, guidance, care, and nurturance, we can guide them into adulthood. But if we spare the rod, children are abandoned to their own devices and limited experiences for guidance. Discipline is about instruction, not beatings. A child cannot listen to someone he/she is afraid of. Lessons cannot be integrated by one who is in shock from having been struck. What they learn is distrust, fear, and violence."
Grace Chou studied the passages in Proverbs after receiving a suggestion from her mother to stop spanking her son. She writes:
"I found the perfect example of grace-filled discipline in Jesus. [Author Rick] Creech notes that, 'Some of the things of the Old Testament were done away with when the New Testament came into place. Take the adulterous woman in John 8:3-11 for example. The law of the Old Testament stated very clearly that if anyone committed adultery, they should be put to death. But Jesus did not allow the men to put her to death. Instead Jesus said to the men, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Jesus did not change the moral principle that was in the law, because he still told the woman, "Go now and leave your life of sin." But Jesus did change the way that the requirement of the law was enforced. Jesus did away with the harsh physical punishment, but he still upheld the moral standard.' I knew it was my job as a parent to do the same." 13,14
by dogshome9 on 24 August 2010 - 01:08
Too true Sam. I am a grandparent these days and rarely have to repremand them and even though the law states that children can no longer be spanked an occasional smack on the bottom does not hurt BUT there is a HUGE difference between a smack and a beating !!!!!!!!
The poem in question is about those other kind --- the kind that have parents with no parenting skills, (quite often because their parents had non either), no love, their kids are an imposition on their lives - no time - lack of money ( yes many families suffer from lack of money and don't abuse their kids ).
Most cases of child abuse that make the news here are about those kids that are supposedly already on the community services watch list, but that does not stop them from dying by the hand of a parent or a boyfriend?
The poem in question is about those other kind --- the kind that have parents with no parenting skills, (quite often because their parents had non either), no love, their kids are an imposition on their lives - no time - lack of money ( yes many families suffer from lack of money and don't abuse their kids ).
Most cases of child abuse that make the news here are about those kids that are supposedly already on the community services watch list, but that does not stop them from dying by the hand of a parent or a boyfriend?
by yellowrose of Texas on 24 August 2010 - 01:08
Dancing teaches discipline in children . My grandaughter is in dance and now piano and guitar. She has had a switch or two in her days.! After all she is related to me.!.jpg)
by Ruger1 on 24 August 2010 - 01:08
I thought the post was a bit creepy....But that's me.....
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by Sam Spade on 24 August 2010 - 01:08
Hey, please don't take my post the wrong way. An ear pulling or smack on the bottom never hurt anyone. But you gotta admit that belt, paddle and switch spankings occured more back in the day. People didn't pay as close attention to abuse as they do today. Kids are encouraged in school to report their parents or anyone that physically assaults them. Back in the day, people looked the other way. I hear stories from my dad and uncle of what their father did, I remember what my father did, and I know how I have reprimanded my children. I'm happy to say that our lines are watered down! ;). But I will never let a kid do what it wants, think that they can do and have anything whenever they want or be without manners.
Red Sable, my son has the same JD toy. Makes noise and shakes a bit. He has all of them. He's a tractor nut that walks around with a Used Tractor Ad Magazine. We took him to a Combine Crash Derby a few weeks ago.
by JRANSOM on 24 August 2010 - 03:08
I might not be the person I am today had it not been for my mother! Who was a complete hard ass! And I didn't like her then... But today... I thank her for that! Thanks Ma!
by SitasMom on 24 August 2010 - 17:08
where is the "OT-" before "Dear Blue Eyes"?
by geordiegaviino on 24 August 2010 - 20:08
SitasMom - dear blue eyes is the original topic and i just wanted to remind people that there is a world outside these pages about dogs and that just cause a dog isnt a good worker or doesnt resemble the breed very well isnt that much of a bad thing in this world. I just want some people to open their eyes
by beetree on 24 August 2010 - 20:08
You did leave out the doggy connection in your OP, Geordie. But since others are into your sentiment, carry on. lol
by yellowrose of Texas on 24 August 2010 - 20:08
Thanks GEORDIEGAVINO!
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