American x West German showline crosses? - Page 12

On and in regards to the debate if any American bred/line dog has ever taken a SchH title....

How does this dog fit the bill??  Shaftoe's Tasha, ScH III, AD, WH

www.whitegermanshepherd.org/tashahof.htm

Not only was she from 100% "american lines" she was a White, from completely pet, back yard breeder US lines...  not that I'm recommending it... but more to end the squabbling about   "mine's bigger and better"...

German shepherd dog was created to be a working dog first and foremost.known for working ability. So you have to start with that if you have not gotten that then you do not have a dog to start with.and if some one does not understand that and still want to keep talking shit   then you are a moron and you should not talk about german shepherd let alone own one.have a nice one.

  Windwalker,


The article contains information by which assertions can be verified.   No one has ever made the statement that there were NONE .  (You might note that I alluded to two in my post).   However, anecdotal hyperbole was all that was generally given.   This article gave detalls and names clubs such that every bit of it can be verified.   In fact, I believe that Tom Shaftoe  at least is still a member of USA.  In fact, I am sure of it. 

I would just mention that these folks actually got to train in Germany, no doubt with some of the best trainers and handlers in the sport, some of whom " could title a chicken."       The question did not restrict the query to dogs titled in the US.      Frankly, I am not surprised that you came up with a wgs as the answer.   I saw one work at a local club once and the dog was clearly capable.  He was also from BYB breeding.

There have been many members of the SchH3 Club with crosses--especially, during the early days of the sport:

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/members/SchH3%20Club%20List.pdf 

I recall Joe Tackett's Ironwood's Cherokee--circa 1973. Sue Barwig had her Uriah.

In the old days, there were schutzhund events under the auspices of the GSDCA prior to the inception of USA or the WDA.  Take a look at this bit of history: http://www.angelplace.net/awdf/AWDF_ART.htm

The reason there was not more cooperation was because of elitist attitudes in the various camps--IMO.

So I guess we maybe have a total of  2 (Merkel's Opium and  Shaftoe's Tasha) 100% Am Line GSD titled in schutzhund?  Both are bitches and from the 80s?   As I recall,  in 80 - 81, with regards to sport, everyone was pretty much looking to Germany for their dogs, at that time there were very few good working line breeders in the USA.

Wow, though some people have never trained in schutzhund or been to a trial,  they are expert enough to tell us what dogs not only have great nerve but would have titled had they been trained??????  I think those people  must have magic powers.    Some kind of SUPER JUJU osmosis the rest of the world isn't privy to.  I guess the rest of us poor slobs in the REAL world are really behind the times because we still must actually see a dog work to know whether it can or can't.   Get REAL!  if wishes were horses beggers would ride.

Here is a Select Champion (albeit not my cup of tea) not bred by a BYB: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/473913.html.  This dog was bred, owned, and titled by the original (if memory serves) by the original owner of Manhattan!

 0ne of the greatest assets, in terms of temperament, is a GSD's tendency to be kind to other dogs in the same household.

cool,  so if we now do some math.  a hand full of american shepherds with titles to the ____% of them breed,  you would end up with less than 1% of them with a schutzhud title, probably less than 1% with any working title. 

oh well, at least there owners love them and they make good pets.  thats what really counts. 

john