Longcoats and breeding - Page 1

This post is originally from BIG question, at least for me it is!!!! Schutzhund training? by Shepherd woman

gsdlvr2 says Go for it!
Being a longcoat only precludes him from breeding, not from working. You'll have lots of fun and so will he.

With all due respect Gsdlvr2, That is nothing but pure conformation statement. I use to think the same way as you until I did some research on WUSV dogs (dogs who deserve to be bred more then the BSZS dogs IMO). I found a dog that had me think that I was hallucinating. It was a gorgeous sable longcoat ( Kalle vom Welzbachtal  ) with such an outstanding working record. Anyone with an open mind would say that this dog deserves to be bred, in spite of his coat condition. Hardcore conformation people would look down on him because hes a longcoat, yet none of their "black and red" standard coats could work even a fraction to what this dog has accomplished.

Kalle has real titles and his working record prooves it :)

wow! kalle is an absolutely gorgeous dog! and what a record! thanks for putting this on the message list. he is impressive.

Beautiful dog. With his working titles and his fantastic looks it would be a shame not to breed him. I have a LH as well that is only 6 months, if he does well with working titles I will breed him as well. Mine loves water in any way shape or form. He loves the rain. Border collies don't seem to have these Long coat issues in the weather so I have trouble buying the LH does not stand up to the weather and brush arguements

titles are not the only thing to consider.  Conformation rating/breed survey is also a factor to consider.  Right now, long-stock coats are not allowed to be breed surveyed, though they were in the past and hopefully will be again.  True long-coats were never allowed and will never be.  If the dog can't be breed surveyed because of a fault to the standard including coat, temperament, health, soundness, structure, color, it should not be bred, for any reason - even if the work is excellent.  If the work is excellent take note, and look at the siblings or parents, relatives who are also working excellent AND don't have a fault eliminating it from breed survey.

molly

He looks just like Link, gone but not forgotten, makes me sad.  He is just beautiful though, man I miss my boy.

If one finds it in themselves that they MUST breed thier Long Stock coat, meaning long coat with an undercoat, as right or wrong people will do as they wish, I would like to plead to at least be sure it is to a dog that you are absolutely sure does not carry the coat factor. This way you can atest that you are indeed breeding the dog to pass on the structure, temperament, and workability, while trying to eliminate the negative" long coat" in the puppies as much as possible. Breeding just to produce Long Coated dogs is just inexcusable if you really love the breed. If your goal is only to produce more long coated dogs, choose another breed.

Also don't forget that all dogs out of a longcoat will be carriers of that  gene.

If you bred your longcoat, would you give a free Flobee to all the new puppy owners?

A flobee, maybe. But German celery? Phooey!