pedigree pricing - Page 1

I would like to hear peoples thought on how to stop pedigree pricing. Pedigree pricing to me is, pricing a dog based only on what is on paper. I see so many dogs priced so high even if their working ability is not there ( priced by papers). 

Would people like to see the United States take control of breedings like Germany has?

Nothing like the SV will ever fly in the USA. No matter how much we want it.

The AKC is set up to make money, while offering some small contribution in purebred record keeping. THAT'S IT.

"Pedigree Pricing" will never end either. The best you can do is to title and show your dogs in both working and conformation rings. That is what will say the most and that is the only thing most are going to listen to in either camp.

Debby

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The pedigree doesn't make the dog, the dog makes the pedigree.

DeesWolf-

Perfectly said,  I just can't understand how alot of breeders think all there pups are of great caliber just because of the pedigree. Then you have them blowing smoke to the prossible buyer to pay the pedigree price.

DeesWolf, You got it! I agree with you :)

then add to that,, "well so and so just sold a dog for 2000, that must be the going price,,, now im going to raise my price"

john

I was always told that when looking at an adult dog the pedigree is a mere bonus it's proven working ability is first and foremost.  In puppies I've just come to the conclusion that the pedigree only helps "guess" what you may hope to see it mature to. I tend to not just look at what the sire and dams titles were but going back even further to get a better picture of the granparents and great grandparents as well.

When I was looking for a dog I recall speaking to someone who had a fancy website selling "executive level dogs"...his prices were OUT FREAKIN RAGEOUS (starting at $25,000 and going up to $45,000)  I had to ask just for entertainment purposes "why are your dogs so much when I see others selling titled dogs for much much less?"  His response was "my dogs are not "titled" they are "true personal protection dogs" that have received the highest level of training-they are not "sport dogs" and my clients are primarily high profile individuals such as pro athletes, celebrities and wealthy executives, my dogs are all imported from Germany and come from "top bloodlines".  I thought to myself hmm....is this guy for real?? lol  Needless to say I was quite entertained that one would think that there are so many stupid people out there that would buy this BS for one milisecond.  I'm sure he's not selling dogs left and right but then again at those prices if he finds one sucker a year it paid his bills.  I never saw such a bigger racket industry.  If you don't know what you're doing you will get swallowed up by the sharks for sure.  It's really a shame things are the way they are when it comes to animals falling into the wrong hands. 

TS

Pedigree pricing is happening all over the world !!   Like dees wolf said the pedigree is only as good as the dog . However It is a known fact that the pedigree will tell you   if a said dog is a fluke  or  a product of his pedigree. I see to many people banking on grand sires and grand dams and pay no attention to the parents.

My opinion is   know what you like  know what line you like then chosse the  pup but do not choose one from untitle excuse breedings "had no time dog could do it and  would make the nationals   etc " =excuse breddings.  AKC american  line german shepherds are a sure  thing the dog will not work so we don't even have to go there  .

We have breeders in the US that  are putting every efford they have in compining dogs and  rely on the productive streghts of the individual dogs  to produce serviceable /workable dogs   .

there is no fool proof  method either :) then breeding would be a breeze :)

The SV is playing the politics   all one has to  look at the  showline dogs and their performance and judges   granting pronounced ratings to dogs that barly hang on :((  SAD real sad !!   The SV breeding system as it is written is the best in the world   however this system is being bend to the breaking point  !! IF and I say IF the SV their judges would   actually judge the dogs as the rules are written we would not have  the show vs. working  line debating split  etc !!

Pia

Ahhh, Pia my friend, you said it all in the following statement!

"The SV is playing the politics   all one has to  look at the  showline dogs and their performance and judges   granting pronounced ratings to dogs that barly hang on :((  SAD real sad !!   The SV breeding system as it is written is the best in the world   however this system is being bend to the breaking point  !! IF and I say IF the SV their judges would   actually judge the dogs as the rules are written we would not have  the show vs. working  line debating split  etc !!"

As long as this behavior continues, and breeders continue to breed to the VA dogs, based soley on conformation titles, and because someone has pups out of VA males, we will continue to see outrageous prices for dogs that can gait, look nice but don't actually demonstrate the desired traits, as PER THE STANDARD when it comes to the work.

I recently saw an ad for a breeding where the pups are advertised for over 2k. I know the dam and sire, and I wouldn't give you 500 bucks for one of those pups. BUT, because of who the sire is, it is nearly predetermined that each of those pups is worth that price. I have an upcoming litter (keeping fingers crossed) where both the dam and the sire actually do work...even I wouldn't consider pricing a pup out of them that high. I shake my head over this daily as I peruse forums and websites looking at what is out there for sale.

Pegirees are nice, but not only do I want to see what the parents can do, I want to see what the parents siblings, aunts and uncles can do. Plus we all know, just because a dog has a SchH3 after its name doesn't mean it earned that title.

My rant is over.

Dee